[gnuplustoejam]

Running open-source firmware someone's hacking on (which gets little to no testing) on a gas appliance that can burn your house down is probably not the best idea.

If you are paranoid about Nest being evil maybe stick to one of those Honeywell round hockey-puck things with the mercury inside.

Or use a Z-Wave/Zigbee thermostat from a reputable vendor (there aren't many) and control it from a gateway of your choice.

[khamidou]

This is for people who have already bought a nest and got burnt by the deprecation of their online services. Of course they could get another thermostat but then that'd just be more stuff for the landfills.

[gnuplustoejam]

Early generation Nest hardware was garbage, and was known for blowing FETs that failed closed, turning people's ACs into giant ice cubes. Putting it in the landfill would be doing yourself a favor.

The ex-Apple culture in the early history of Nest was evident, which ostensibly spec'd FETs over mechanical relays for superficial reasons, because clicking sounds are ugly. The results were in the spirit of other Apple engineering marvels (Titanium Powerbook, Antennagate, Bendgate).

[mechanicalpulse]

Well that's certainly a take. Solid state relays using optoisolated MOSFETs have been around for fifty years. Mechanical relays are overkill for signal switching as in HVAC thermostats, IMHO, but you do you.

Anecdotally, I have a first generation Nest and haven't had a problem. Maybe some of the earlier hardware had fewer protection against misuse (e.g., with non-24VAC systems or otherwise incorrect installation), but that's generally the case with most new things.

[gnuplustoejam]

Sounds like something Nest engineers would have said.

It's not "signal switching", you see.

HVAC equipment is as old and varied as you can imagine, and there is higher current than you think running through those terminals, powering all sorts of nasties, oil burner relays, damper motors, crude AC contactors causing voltage spikes etc. HVAC low voltage power is as dirty as can be.

No one took this into account, they were more concerned with making the thermostat pretty.

[mechanicalpulse]

Nest is hardly the only thermostat out there using solid-state relays. Have you considered the possibility that they did take it into account and they deliberately chose to use SSRs instead of electromechanical relays? Have you considered the possibility that they were concerned about the impact that mechanical relays may have on the RF, especially if "there is higher current than you think running through those terminals"? Have you considered the possibility that they were worried about making the first one fatter than it already was?

In my heat pump, none of the thermostat wires directly control the contactors. They all run into a logic board that applies logic like time delays, temperature-controlled defrost cycling, and active protection lockouts for the compressor. I mean, there's a seven-segment LCD on the logic board for system troubleshooting. The air handler has a variable speed blower as well.

I understand that HVAC equipment varies wildly, but if you try to solve every possible problem or scenario and target every possible customer, you'll never make it to market.

I also understand that I am the target demographic.