[cyberax]

> You seem to forget that all the people on public transit essentially get their time back.

Can I use the time in subway while commuting to work to get groceries or to get my child to a doctor's appointment?

> I made some calculations like a year ago using public data from Finland in the year 2023, the people lost collectively 55k years to driving cars.

Now do that with transit. Keep in mind, that transit is typically 2-3 times slower than cars in well-designed cities (i.e. not Manhattan-style hellscapes). It absolutely is true of Helsinki. Try dropping 100 random points on the city map and plot the routes between all of them, for both cars and transit. You'll find that cars are typically 3x faster.

[jakelazaroff]

> Can I use the time in subway while commuting to work to get groceries or to get my child to a doctor's appointment?

Can you use the time in a car while commuting to work to do the same?

> Keep in mind, that transit is typically 2-3 times slower than cars in well-designed cities (i.e. not Manhattan-style hellscapes).

What makes a city "well-designed" in your eyes?

[cyberax]

> Can you use the time in a car while commuting to work to do the same?

Yes. In a well-designed city, a car trip will give you more time to do that.

> What makes a city "well-designed" in your eyes?

Not large, at most 300000 population, and designed for the needs of people, not for bike-lanes. So wide roads, plenty of parking (including parking lots), low density, large houses providing plenty of space, etc.

[rkomorn]

So your premise is that a city designed for cars is better for cars?

[cyberax]

Just as cities designed for bikes are better for bikes, not people. Same idea.