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Thank you for sharing that, turns out to be a lot more measured and balanced than the news article makes it out to be. Damn media always fueling the fires rather than spreading understanding and clarify. I think both sides seems to be raising good points, and probably the truth and more balanced view sits in the middle.

I continued reading through the talk page and eventually come across this:

> the United States government is exerting serious political pressure on Wikipedia as a whole to reveal the real life identities of many editors here who disagree with the current military actions of the government of Israel.

I have not heard about this before, what specifically is this about, if it's true?

[nsp]

It's a congressional inquiry, the claim is that the editors are biased against Israel. https://www.commondreams.org/news/house-gop-investigates-wik...

[asdefghyk]

Another thing to reaize is ...

In war the first casualty is truth.

I always think of what was claimed to happened in video "collateral murder"

Where US killed several people , because a reporters telephoto lens was mistaked of a rocket launcher, when viewed from a few KM away - OR so we are told.

[bigyabai]

Ascertaining the truth isn't made easier when one side massacres journalists and forbids free domestic reporting.

[asdefghyk]

RE ".... claim is that the editors are biased against Israel..." We ALL have Bias's

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> the editors are biased against Israel

But so what? Is that unlawful in the US somehow today? That sounds absolutely bananas to be honest, aren't people supposed to have "true" freedom of speech, including being allowed to be biased against or for Israel?

[jacquesm]

What is really absolutely bananas is to continue to believe that United States has true freedom of speech. There are so many limitations and exceptions that the USA scores worse than Europe where they don't have such a thing enshrined in their constitution (in so far as they have a constitution to begin with):

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/freedom-of-expression-ind...

Of course, you could be pedantic and say 'but freedom of expression isn't freedom of speech' but that would be precisely the kind of thing that continues to perpetrate the myth. A theoretical freedom on some narrow issue does not do much in competition with a much broader actual freedom. And that's the 2024 version, your guess about what the 2025 edition of that index looks like, I'm thinking not nearly as good for the USA. Blackmailing universities for starters.

[nsp]

It's not nationally illegal, and yes I would I agree that this seems in clear violation of freedom of speech. There have been some similar laws passed at the state level like this one in Texas https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/anti-israel-policies-are-ant... that have somehow held up in the courts

[robocat]

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/

Is a metalaw restricting the laws Congress can set.

Freedom of speech seems to be commonly regarded as having a far wider scope than it actually does. IANAL.

[dlubarov]

From a textualist standpoint you're right, but in practice the Supreme Court has expanded the First Amendment to prohibit government actions (besides just lawmaking) that would deter speech.

[ASalazarMX]

Yes, but please understand that the government of USA has a bias in favor of Israel that it needs to uphold. Why do you hate America and Freedom(TM)?

[Centigonal]

Here are more details on this: https://truthout.org/articles/house-republicans-investigate-...

Here is the letter from two US congressmen, requesting information from Wikipedia, including "Records showing identifying and unique characteristics of accounts (such as names, IP addresses, registration dates, user activity logs) for editors subject to actions by [Wikipedia's arbitration committee]": https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/08272...

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I never thought I'd see the day where the same government that says "Freedom of Speech is important" would go around doxxing people on the internet. I always thought it'd eventually happen, but not during my lifetime.

[tantalor]

Discussed recently:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43799302

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45043164