[wdfx]

Gemini and it's tooling is absolute shit. The LLM itself is barely usable and needs so much supervision you might as well do the work yourself. Then couple that with an awful cli and vscode interface and you'll find that it's just a complete waste of time.

Compared to the anthropic offering is night and day. Claude gets on with the job and makes me way more productive.

[Frannky]

It's probably a mix of what you're working on and how you're using the tool. If you can't get it done for free or cheaply, it makes sense to pay. I first design the architecture in my mind, then use Grok 4 fast (free) for single-shot generation of main files. This forces me to think first, and read the generated code to double-check. Then, the CLI is mostly for editing, clerical work, testing, etc. That said, I do try to avoid coding altogether if the CLI + MCP servers + MD files can solve the problem.

[SamInTheShell]

> Gemini and it's tooling is absolute shit.

Which model were you using? In my experience Gemini 2.5 Pro is just as good as Claude Sonnet 4 and 4.5. It's literally what I use as a fallback to wrap something up if I hit the 5 hour limit on Claude and want to just push past some incomplete work.

I'm just going to throw this out there. I get good results from a truly trash model like gpt-oss-20b (quantized at 4bits). The reason I can literally use this model is because I know my shit and have spent time learning how much instruction each model I use needs.

Would be curious what you're actually having issues with if you're willing to share.

[sega_sai]

I share the same opinion on Gemini cli. Other than for simplest tasks it is just not usable, it gets stuck in loops, ignores instructions, fails to edit files. Plus it just has a plenty of bugs in the cli that you occasionally hit. I wish I could use it rather than pay an extra subscription for Claude Code, but it is just in a different league (at least as recently as couple of weeks ago)

[SamInTheShell]

Which model are you using though? When I run out of Gemini 2.5 Pro and it falls back to the Flash model, the Flash model is absolute trash for sure. I have to prompt it like I do local models. Gemini 2.5 Pro has shown me good results though. Nothing like "ignores instructions" has really occurred for me with the Pro model.

[sega_sai]

I get that even with the 2.5 pro

[SamInTheShell]

That's weird. I can prompt 2.5 Pro and Claude Sonnet 4.5 about the same for most typescript problems and they end up doing about the same. I get different results with Terraform though, I think Gemini 2.5 Pro does better on some Google Cloud stuff, but only on the specifics.

Is just strange to me that my experience seems to be a polar opposite of yours.

[sega_sai]

I don't know. The last problem I tried was a complex one -- migration of some scientific code from CPU to GPU. Gemini was useless there, but Claude proposed realistic solutions and was able to explore and test those.

[nl]

I think you must be using it quite differently to me.

I can one-shot new webapps in Claude and Codex and can't in Gemini Pro.

[SamInTheShell]

The type of stuff I tend to do is much more complex than a simple website. I really can't rely on AI as heavily for stuff that I really enjoy tinkering with. There's just not enough data for them to train on to truly solve distributed system problems.