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by aeon_ai 237 days ago
I'll note I used no pejorative terms to describe you in order to make my points. I don't need to cast you as a villain or "unwise" individual to argue against the statements themselves.

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Your framing of AI presumes that my proposal is prompt in >> art out. False frame.

You also state "near universal" disdain of AI from people with "actual" talent. A bold claim to make with little data, and at least for me, clear examples of being false.

I know award-winning directors, iconic creatives, and career/professional artists who are all excited by the technology, exploring ways to use it, and learning how to composite it into their work.

Perhaps you would propose that they have no talent and are not "true" artists! This is why I ask for the definition of art. It's not a "poor refuge" for an honest discussion, it's something that is the fundamental term upon which your argument is hinged. You can't gatekeep "art" without defining what the gate is.

The OP talks about Suno Studio - A DAW experience with recording, editing, generative tools, and generative restyling. This is, objectively, a different level of tool than a "prompt to music" generation experience.

Something that is composited through multiple decisions made by a human, toward some end that only they see, through an iterative process...

Well, I'd say that's where the artistry is.

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No, there is nothing artistic about tools that help you modify or organize your prompts aka commissions for all the reasons I already stated above.

Let’s play a game. I’ll pick an artist who hates AI and you reply with an artist that loves AI. Let’s see who runs out first.

https://www.wired.com/story/guillermo-del-toro-hopes-hes-dea...

Modify or organize your prompts? lol - I don't think you have any familiarity with the tooling landscape in AI media gen.

I'll do you one better - I'll cite someone who has changed their mind.

https://deadline.com/2025/04/james-cameron-use-ai-cut-cost-f...

I think I finally see what we’re clashing on. Where do you draw the line between “this is a tool assisting me in creating my art” and “here is my AI film I stitched together with 10 Sora prompts”?

The songwriter for K-Pop Demon Hunter’s Soda Pop used AI to help them write the lyrics - fine. The hacks on X calling themselves incredible artists because they can prompt Dall-E - slop.

Yes - If you're willing to allow that AI might be a tool in the artistic process if it is used in conjunction with intent and effort, then we are at a reasonable position -- That stating "all AI is slop" is as inarticulate and insufficient as the claim of "look at what I made, I'm an artist!" coming from someone who typed in a four word prompt.

The majority of people using AI believe that production itself is art. They produce slop because they have no craft, no taste, and no innate talent.

Artists recognize that art requires the development of craft and taste - and there are many that see AI as a tool that can be used in that process.