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by davsti4 228 days ago
Its simple, and I'll quote myself - "robots.txt isn't the law".
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Quoting Cervisia :

> robots.txt. This is not the law

In Germany, it is the law. ยง 44b UrhG says (translated):

(1) Text and data mining is the automated analysis of one or more digital or digitized works to obtain information, in particular about patterns, trends, and correlations.

(2) Reproductions of lawfully accessible works for text and data mining are permitted. These reproductions must be deleted when they are no longer needed for text and data mining.

(3) Uses pursuant to paragraph 2, sentence 1, are only permitted if the rights holder has not reserved these rights. A reservation of rights for works accessible online is only effective if it is in machine-readable form.

-- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45776825

Its the law pertaining to copyright. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_urhg/englisch_ur... ... and that's only in Germany.

If what you're protecting with robots.txt isn't copyright-able, then you'll need to find another legal means.

Violating norms makes you an abusive jerk at best.
That's a slippery slope opinion.

One person's norm can oppose another's norm. Who defines them? If my "norm" is to stop at a stop sign, and yours is to roll through it, are you the abusive jerk?

No means no. Only yes means yes. Stop means stop. Why are people in tech so confused about this? Agree, or ask again in three days.
"I will do anything that will not literally get me into jail" is a pretty low bar. Most decent people try to do better than that - and that's the only reason society still exists, because there's not enough cops to put all bad people into jail and never will be.
Exactly - its why laws are written. So, if its enough of a problem, then there should be a law stopping/regulating it.

Are published TOSs enough to stop the owners of the bots?

TOS wouldn't be enough but laws wouldn't be enough either. We have thousands of pages of laws, and people violate them all the times, and very often with zero consequences.