[gray_-_wolf]

Pricing model for a terminal. What a time to be alive.

> Can I continue to use Warp as my primary terminal?

> Yes, the Terminal features of Warp will continue to be free to use for developers across Windows, Mac, and Linux.

Well this is something at least I guess.

[dvt]

> Pricing model for a terminal. What a time to be alive.

As soon as they raised like 50M+ (why you'd ever need 50 million dollars to build a terminal—which have been essentially "solved" since the 1970s—is a pretty good question), this was bound to happen. Same nonsense will happen to Zed, etc.

[mmh0000]

To be fair, for those of us who live in a terminal, the terminal is/was not solved.

Old terminals are slow and have a bunch of weird Unicode issues.

Now, Warp is a terrible product, and I have nothing nice to say about them.

But look at modern terminals like Kitty or Ghostty. There are so many very nice improvements. Like mouse support that works well (as opposed to "kind of works, but who needs a mouse?!, won't fix"), fast keyboard response (you'd think it wouldn't be noticeable, but it's very noticeable), copy-and-paste that makes sense and isn't different from everything else on the system, etc.

https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/

https://ghostty.org/

[wonger_]

And if you want to overhaul everything obsolete about the terminal and the shell, there's still more room for improvement: https://arcan-fe.com/2022/04/02/the-day-of-a-new-command-lin...

[gray_-_wolf]

> Old terminals are slow and have a bunch of weird Unicode issues.

rxvt-unicode is plenty fast and handles unicode well, at least as far as I can tell...

[awill]

Oh no. Did I miss something? Did Zed get a bunch of unnecessary funding that will force them to do some subscription we'll all hate?

[zedsdeadbaby]

https://zed.dev/blog/sequoia-backs-zed

[whstl]

Well, they already have subscriptions for the agent usage, so the hope is that the editor will keep being free.

[rapind]

Who cares when Ghostty exists though...

[speedgoose]

I’m on ghostty but warp is a lot more than a terminal. I used to consider their product to be a shitty AI powered terminal until I saw a demo of it. Now I consider it as a fair AI agent application that has a good CLI integration and some notebook features.

[Aurornis]

Ghostty is an interesting project, but it’s not usable yet for those of us who use scrollback history search until they ship that feature https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/issues/189

The growing popularity of ghostty has made me realize a lot of people don’t use scroll back history search. I use it frequently to save time and avoid having to rerun time intensive tasks to pipe them through grep or tee everything to a file.

[jorl17]

This exactly! Can't move from iterm2 until this feature, which is absolutely essential to me, is implemented.

Love the work they're doing though!!

[s_trumpet]

The other thing keeping me on iTerm is Ghostty lacking tab support in quake mode

[tristan957]

I'm pretty certain that exists, at least on macOS, but I don't use that feature. I just follow development.

Source: ghosty maintainer

[xbar]

Are there any workarounds?

[antew]

In my ghostty config I use:

  scrollback-limit = 512000000
  keybind = super+f=write_scrollback_file:open

It writes it to a temporary file and then opens the file in the default text editor when I hit Cmd+F.

[jasonjmcghee]

tmux

But there's a whole thread on other workarounds etc. Apparently it's on the roadmap.

https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/issues/189

[matwood]

I like Ghostty, but it's still missing a few features I need. Warp was interesting, but it was honestly overwhelming when I was simply reaching for a terminal. For now, I'm back on Terminal.app until Ghostty catches up feature wise.

[john_alan]

your spelled iTerm2 wrong :)

[WesolyKubeczek]

You meant "iTerm2 with no scrollbars and no scrollback history search" was spelled wrong.

(yes I know they are working on it; but I also know iTerm2 and Konsole have had them since about forever, and I use that feature a lot, so it's kinda major impediment)

[Brajeshwar]

I was on iTerm2 for a pretty loong time. You should try out Ghostty.

[speedgoose]

iTerm2 is not in the same league when it comes to speed.

[Spivak]

How are all of you spelling WezTerm wrong.

[slenk]

Just started using this - it's pretty nice. Very customizable but it makes my oh-my-zsh setup look like crap with it's fonts.

I started using it since it's cross platform and I use chezmoi, but the config quickly gets complicated if you want things like folders in your tab titles, etc

[fukka42]

How do I run this on Windows and Linux?

[latexr]

Ghostty aims to be cross-platform (I think Windows support isn’t there yet but is planned), but iTerm2 is macOS-only.

[awb]

> Pricing model for a terminal. What a time to be alive.

You’re really paying for AI compute, not the terminal.

[bigbuppo]

Subscriptions: AI makes it necessary.

[jzb]

"What a time to be alive"

s/a/an awful/

Some days I feel like everything peaked around mid-2000.

[fred_]

I agree.

Whan awfult a time to be alive

[lioeters]

  $ echo "What a time to be alive" | sed s/a/an awful/
  sed: -e expression #1, char 6: unterminated `s' command

Whan awfult a time, indeed. :( Shoulda ran fred instead of sed.

[askl]

at least they didn't add /g

[ciupicri]

To be honest there were a lot of "small" paid utility programs around mid-2000.

[pier25]

> Well this is something at least I guess.

Until they change their TOS and use all your terminal input to train their models.

I'm being sarcastic but how things are going something like this wouldn't surprise me at all.

[bdcravens]

If you pay for Claude Code, couldn't you then say you're paying for Visual Studio Code? Or if you use CC in the CLI, you're also paying for that terminal? Warp is just packaging AI with their terminal product.

[awb]

The difference is the point of sale. With VS Code, you purchase your AI compute elsewhere (Anthropic, OpenAI, etc.), and then use it through the free VS Code interface.

With Warp, you purchase your AI compute through Warp (who then pays Anthropic, Open AI, etc. based on the model you choose).

[bigbuppo]

All up until the point that you get a "Dear Valued Customer" letter.

[jbv027]

Also terminal sending telemetry. So many no goes.

[bakql]

It's not "a terminal", it's a terminal with AI features that cost money to run. I understand you may not be interested in them, but let's not pretend that burning GPU power comes for free.

[fukka42]

My machine has a perfectly fine CPU. A text box to enter OpenAI credentials would also be an easy fix.

[Spivak]

At least from their docs it seems like you can do exactly this.