[yurishimo]

That is essentially one of the main arguments vegans make. It hasn’t made a dent in the consumption of animals.

Their is a hierarchy in nature whether humans are actively participating or not. Nature has no morality, it simply is. This is confirmed by animals that eat their young when they are too weak or starving. Perhaps humans have done and would do the same if faced with similarly dire circumstances but we would all like to think that it would take longer than it does for other animals.

[Llamamoe]

The same line of reasoning could be easily used to justify tyranny and slavery. It might be the baseline status quo but "might makes right" rhetoric makes for extremely miserable worlds.

[kachapopopow]

if you look beyond the surface level, the world is in-fact miserable, always has been and probably always will be.