[bashkiddie]

raises hand I hate python.

I am a user of pip binaries. Every few years one of them breaks.

As far as I understand, developers never cared about pinning their dependencies and python is fast to deprecate stuff.

  $ uvx remt
      Built pygobject==3.54.5
      Built remt==0.11.0
      Built pycairo==1.28.0
  Installed 12 packages in 9ms
  Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "/home/user/.cache/uv/archive-v0/BLXjdwASU_oMB-R4bIMnQ/bin/remt", line 27, in <module>
    import remt
  File "/home/user/.cache/uv/archive-v0/BLXjdwASU_oMB-R4bIMnQ/lib/python3.13/site-packages/remt/__init__.py", line 20, in <module>
    import pkg_resources
  ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pkg_resources'

  $ uvx maybe
  × Failed to build `blessings==1.6`
  ├─▶ The build backend returned an error
  ╰─▶ Call to `setuptools.build_meta:__legacy__.build_wheel` failed (exit status:
      1)

      [stderr]
      /home/user/.cache/uv/builds-v0/.tmpsdhgNf/lib/python3.13/site-packages/setuptools/_distutils/dist.py:289:
      UserWarning: Unknown distribution option: 'tests_require'
        warnings.warn(msg)
      /home/user/.cache/uv/builds-v0/.tmpsdhgNf/lib/python3.13/site-packages/setuptools/_distutils/dist.py:289:
      UserWarning: Unknown distribution option: 'test_suite'
        warnings.warn(msg)
      error in blessings setup command: use_2to3 is invalid.

      hint: This usually indicates a problem with the package or the build
      environment.
  help: `blessings` (v1.6) was included because `maybe` (v0.4.0) depends on
        `blessings==1.6`

I heard rumors from computer vision developers that even libraries deprecate that fast.

[liampulles]

Be careful of attributing to python what is really the fault of python lib developers.

Having said that, our team is having to do a bunch of work to move to a new python version for our AWS serverless stuff, which is not something I'd have to worry about with Go (for example). So I agree, there is a problem here.

[Sesse__]

> Be careful of attributing to python what is really the fault of python lib developers.

If so, you also cannot attribute to Python the virtues of Python lib developers either (in particular, a large library ecosystem).

[liampulles]

Yip. What you are talking about is the language ecosystem.