[dylan604]

That sounds naive at best. Again, the people willing to build bots while violating licenses just won't care about any of that. All it takes is a couple of people willing to "violate", and it's all over. I guarantee there are many many more than just a couple of people willing. At that point, they themselves now have a community.

[Imustaskforhelp]

I feel like we shouldn't shoot down people's optimism, like okay maybe it is naive, then what could be wrong about it? People want to do something about it, they are tired and annoyed regarding LLM and I can understand that sentiment and they are tired of seeing how the govt. has ties with the very people whose net worth / influence relies upon how we perceive AI and so they try their very best to shoot down anything that can be done which can negatively hurt AI including but not limiting to lobbying etc.

I don't think that the advice we should give to people is to just wait and watch. and if someone wants to take things into their own hands, write a license, reignite the discussion, talk about laws, then we should atleast not call it naive since personally I respect if someone is trying to do something about anything really, it shows that they aren't all talks and that they are trying their best and that's all that matters.

Personally I believe that even if this license just ignites a discussion, that itself can have compounding effects which might rearrange itself into maybe a new license or something new as well and that the parent's comments about discussions aren't naive

is it naive to do a thing which you (or in this case someone else) thinks is naive yet at the same time its the only thing you can do, personally I think that this becomes a discussion about optimism or pessimism with a touch of realism

Its answer really just depends on your view-point, I don't think that there is no right or wrong and I respect your opinion (that its naive) no matter what as long as you respect mine (that its atleast bringing a discussion and its one of the best things to do instead of just waiting and watching)

[dylan604]

This is a closing the barn door after the horse has already gotten out situation. People are not going to just start respecting people's "for human consumption only" wishes. There's too much money for them to not scrape anything and everything. These people have too much money now and no congress critter will have the fortitude to say no to them.

This is the real world. Being this "optimistic" as you say is just living in a fantasy world. Not calling this out would be just be bad.

[Imustaskforhelp]

Hm, I can agree with your take as well on not calling this out but at the same time, I can't help but think if this is all we can do ourselves without govt.

Since, Although I like people criticisizing, since in their own way, they care about the project or the idea. But, still, Maybe I am speaking from personal experiences but when somebody shot down my idea, maybe naive even, I felt really lost and I think a lot of people do. I have personally found that there are ways to use this same thing to steer the direction towards a thing that you might find interesting/really impactful. So let me ask you, what do you think is that we can do regarding this situation, or the OP should do regarding his license?

I personally feel like we might need govt. intervention but I don't have much faith in govt.'s when they are lobbied by the same AI people. So if you have any other solution, please let me know as it would be a pleasure if we could discuss about that.

If you feel like that there might be nothing that we can do about it, something that I can also understand, I would personally suggest to not criticize people trying to do something but that's a big If, and I know you are doing this conversation in good faith, but I just feel like we as a human should keep on trying. Since that is the thing which makes us the very human we are.

[dylan604]

So think about why it was naive and iterate/pivot to not be naive. Having ideas shot down is part of the process. Just like an actor being told no for more often than yes. Those that can't take rejection don't fare well. But being told no isn't a person slight to be taken as don't ever offer suggestions again. It's just that suggestion isn't the one. If you work for someone that does mean never again, work some where else as soon as possible. Some ideas are just bad for the purpose. Some just need more work.

[fvdessen]

Just to say I appreciate all the criticism, it's good food for thought