[abc123abc123]

But note that this is deeply unethical and amounts to denying people the right to self-defense, and by extension, denying people the right to freedom.

The only thing that happens when guns are denied is the rise of corrupt and totalitarian politicians, and that the common man is either oppressed by them or by criminal gangs. Enter guns, and the common man can defend himself against both, which is a blessing.

Thankfully it is now possible to print your own guns and build one easily, so this will become less of an issue in the future, when everyone, if they want, can carry concealed guns.

[freejazz]

> the rise of corrupt and totalitarian politicians

Doesn't seem to track in the US

[mmooss]

Could you provide some examples of these things actually happening? Many of the most stable, most free, least corrupt countries have strict gun laws.

[egypturnash]

I live in a country with an aggressive gun lobby, and a ludicrously corrupt government that wants to create a fascist ethnostate. The gun nuts are largely on the side of the fascist ethnostate. I don’t think guns are the perfect defenders of freedom you think they are.