[petermcneeley]

Canada is not really independent of the USA. The better way to view this is that Canada is like California. This is not a battle between countries but an internal civil conflict within the hegemony.

And your reply does not touch on the 'unkind' portion of my comment. Why should those workers suffer more than they already have?

[cmrdporcupine]

No capitalist market country is independent of any other country in the 21st century and for most of the 20th. This isn't saying much, it's just a matter of degrees.

Yes, Canada is economically integrated with the US to a massive degree and we're each other's biggest trading partners. But the analogy with California is a totally false one.

They are a US state subject to its federal laws and political system. We are not.

We maintain political independence, and need to maintain that independence.

[petermcneeley]

'We maintain political independence, and need to maintain that independence.' By allowing EVs from China?

You would think if you wanted to be independent you would have your own EV car company. If EVs are the future and Canada cannot make competitive EVs with china this means Canada will not have an auto sector. Given that there are hundreds of thousands of people working in this area it doesnt actually bode well for Canadians.

I am actually Canadian this is why I am so familiar with the situation.

[cmrdporcupine]

I think we're in substantial agreement but Canada has this sickness in all sectors which seems to stop us from authoring our own destiny, some of it is cultural but I think the bulk of it is economic. Most investors here don't take risks because they're busy living low-risk parasitical lives off the resource export and real estate industries.

I would love a Canadian EV company to exist because I'd love to work there as a software engineer.

Got any leads? :-)

[bryanlarsen]

I highly doubt they're hiring software engineers, but https://edisonmotors.ca/ has a promising approach.

[cmrdporcupine]

Cool! Good for them!

[petermcneeley]

You will guarantee that there is no EV manufacturing in Canada if you allow for wholesale important of offshore EVs. Just as there is no manufacturing of almost anything else within Canada.

You are literally advocating for something that is against your own desires.

[cmrdporcupine]

I don't think it's so clear cut. The US auto sector packing up and leaving and taking the auto parts manufacturing world with it -- which is what's happening now anyways -- wouldn't exactly create massive opportunities here, either.

[petermcneeley]

Having your own EV companies (or just own auto company) would. I think you need to think about why you find this confusing.

[DiogenesKynikos]

The problem for Canada is that it is so heavily integrated with the United States economy and so heavily dependent on trade with the United States that it is susceptible to a level of coercion that seriously calls its sovereignty into question.

Up until Trump, Canadians viewed the United States as a friendly country, and had a hard time imagining that the US would actually employ its massive leverage in a malicious way. The most concerning thing for Canadians should not be that Trump has tried to employ this leverage against Canada, but that Americans haven't risen up in revolt against this attack on a friendly country. Canada cannot rely on the US being a friendly country in the future, even if Trump does leave office in 2029 (which he is already suggesting he may not do).

So legally speaking, yes, Canada is not like California. Canada is formally an independent country. But practically speaking, unless Canada takes drastic measures, it may become more like California than like an independent country, for all practical intents and purposes.