[gspr]

> From a scientific PoV, vaccine rejection in the West is pretty much unjustifiable according to mainstream medicine. But the not-worst-case, fairly bad outcome is kinda manageable. Your child gets measles, is probably OK, but if not, goes to an expensive hospital and will probably be fine. Even without vaccinations, it's probably not a life or death scenario. I'm not saying it's good, only that the price tag is likely low.

What an incredibly selfish point of view. Both for ignoring the risks of measles in your own child, and more importantly, for completely leaving out of the equation the likelihood that they will spread it to someone who for medical reasons cannot be vaccinated or for whom the virus is even more dangerous.

[rich_sasha]

Have you actually read my post? Or just the first 130 characters - and even then, maybe you missed the bit about

> From a scientific PoV, vaccine rejection in the West is pretty much unjustifiable according to mainstream medicine.

The post is against anti-vax.

[gspr]

Yes. Did you read mine?

I do realize you mean to critique anti-vaxxers. That's good. But the way you paint measles as a minor inconvenience in the west is really bad.

[rich_sasha]

Well, measles, in a rich country with good healthcare and healthy children is mostly (mostly!) an inconvenience. You can expect to survive it without much consequence. Wikipedia quotes death rate of 0.2% in the US in the period 1985-1992. Perhaps countries with universal access to healthcare would do much better. It would surely be much better today again with better healthcare, and even the unvaccinated will mostly never get it. I quite clearly exclude the left tail from my post.

But it's much worse if anyone from a poorer country takes notice and tries to copy.

[frm88]

Well, measles, in a rich country with good healthcare and healthy children is mostly (mostly!) an inconvenience. You can expect to survive it without much consequence.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/measles/measles-does-long-term-da...

After severe measles, children lost a median of 40% (range, 11% to 62%), and after mild measles they lost 33% (range, 12% to 73%), of their total preexisting pathogen-specific antibody repertoires. Paired, healthy controls retained approximately 90% of their repertoires over similar or longer durations.

You might want to rethink your above statement.

[gspr]

> Well, measles, in a rich country with good healthcare and healthy children is mostly (mostly!) an inconvenience.

… and to hell with the unhealthy children? This is what I mean. Incredibly selfish thinking.

> Wikipedia quotes death rate of 0.2% in the US in the period 1985-1992.

Oh, so just thousands and thousands of dead children then. "Just an inconvenience". Your comment is disgusting!

[soco]

"some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make" - mandatory Lord Farquaad quote.