[hypfer]

Question:

I see that you have a lot of energy to fight for what is right and that's great!

Have you considered directing that at the vendors? Any vendor. Roborock, Dreame, Ecovacs, whoever.

These are those responsible for why you are still being forced to engage with me in some way. And you have a clear paid customer relationship with them. They must listen.

Imagine how great it would be if my whole project would become entirely irrelevant, because there is a proper vendor solution with paid commercial support and without some weird ideological Hardliner.

That to me sounds like the ultimate win. It would even side-steps me completely, stripping me of all my undeserved autocratic power.

Instead of fighting over a tiny cake, what about making that cake much, much bigger? Just some food for thought.

[Raptor75]

Interesting you should say that, considering apparently you just banned someone who is doing just that.

IN any case, that is why we created the discord which is open to all kinds of Robot modding, Valetudo being only a small part of it.

[hypfer]

Thanks btw. The prior question of mine looks like I knew it all along, but in reality it only came to me because I was challenged here.

There was a large gaping hole in the docs that has now been closed: https://valetudo.cloud/pages/general/so-youve-been-banned.ht...

I genuinely think that this is a good addition and it wouldn't exist without your input. I just wish there would be less pain attached to all of this.

[brazukadev]

I never heard about valetudo before (are you Brazilian?) but kudos for the way you handle the open source harassment. I'll use this link as an example/reference for future discussions here in this forum.

[Raptor75]

Who is harassing who exactly? All I see is people posting their experiences, both positive and negative, of the particular piece of software that was linked.

[brazukadev]

it is free software, mate. You have no rights besides using the damn software and source code.

Btw you are the harasser. Just do what you should have done long ago, disengage, move on.

[Raptor75]

that's where you're wrong "mate", we absolutely have every right to speak out against abuse. and abuse is a regular occurrence where this software is involved. Just look at the controversy a mere posting here has brought up. This happens almost every time the software is mentioned. Just another example is here - https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/1ngn3jy/comm...

Also "mate", there is no harassment here. By his own words, the dev does not want people to use his software. So the more people we warn, the less people he has to interact with, which is a net gain for him. We're doing him the biggest favour.

[Azelphur]

First off disclaimer, I'm one of the people Hypfer has banned/abused, I'm also a friend of Raptors.

I agree with you that open source developers face harassment, I've seen it happen myself. But, in this case, things are the other way around. Hypfers behavior is awful, there are threads full of of people on reddit that Hypfer has been rude / abusive to. There's an entire discord server with 85 members and counting, the majority of which have been on the receiving end of harassment and just want to talk vacuum modding. Don't believe me? search "site:reddit.com hypfer" on Google and start reading, there's piles of it. Running an open source project does not entitle you to abuse people. There's no other open source project that I can say "just chuck site:reddit.com <developers name> into Google and start reading, you'll find them harassing people."

Of course, I'm also a victim. They accused me of gaslighting them, told me I was stupid, banned me and then spent days after ridiculing me in the Telegram group with thousands of members. I saw screenshots likening educating me to taking a 4 year old to university, and another saying something akin to "I pity the spouses of the people I've banned here", while also playing the "woe is me" card claiming that I asked them to implement HTTPS support when I explicitly stated the opposite. This stuff is extremely clear harassment. To be clear, I did nothing to provoke this behavior, I was asked why I thought HTTPS support on the robot was a good idea, I explained, got banned because Hypfer didn't agree. Hypfer then wrote a FAQ on the subject. Any engineer well versed on the topic would tell you the majority of the stuff in the FAQ entry is wrong.

Since my ban, I've learned that my story is a common theme, users will join the telegram for support and ask questions, only to be abused, banned, and then publicly ridiculed for days afterwards. Even more clear cut things like "Docs say that if X happens I should ask on the Telegram group, I did and immediately got banned". I've received countless messages from users who have been on the receiving end of this harassment.

This situation makes for a terrible example of harassment open source developers face, because in this specific case, there's more harassment towards the users than from them. If you want a nicer example, I'd suggest going and looking at the Jellyfin devs or something, they definitely receive their fair share of unwarranted shots from users.

[brazukadev]

Stop creating accounts to post here, don't join this madness. We don't need you to save us from the creator of this software. Move on!

[deepscanner]

Let the guy speak his mind, I am extremely thankful for his post.

[Raptor75]

Glad you got something positive out of the interaction.

Yes, any pain we could do without.