[FlameRobot]

> I also get Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, and other alt-right pipeline dorks in my recommendations solely because of my gender and age. I never engage with political content on YouTube and I’ve cleared my watch history multiple times, these still show up.

That doesn't happen. Firstly you literally click on the video and say "don't recommend channel" and you will never see a JRE episode again.

Also, just by how you phrased that whole paragraph. I don't believe you are telling the truth.

None of those characters are "alt-right". "alt-right" essentially means White Nationalist.

You cannot tell me that Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro are White Nationalists because of their support for Israel and one of them is Jewish. White nationalists really don't like Israel and Jewish people. They however were labelled as "alt right" to smear them, by other political commentators and publications who are typically on the left and American.

You would only use that framing if you were listening to those commentators and/or publications that used similar phrasing.

Also Jordan Peterson actually talked about addiction on a Joe Rogan podcast and it was one of the things that put me on the road to dealing with my drinking issues. I stopped listening to Joe Rogan about episode 1000 after they stopped being live and were prerecorded.

I have plenty of criticisms of them now. But I Jordan Peterson did help me at least indirectly. I don't watch either of them anymore and haven't watched them for quite a number of years at this point.

[m0llusk]

There are some subtleties here. One of my friends and I are both interested in camping and outdoor gear. This keeps causing YouTube to recommend videos on prepping and guns. Go ahead and block channels and select less of this and it sort of works for a while But then it comes back with more. There are lots of prepping and guns channels. Maybe a pepper who talks about gardens gets highlighted or a gun thing that has a manufacturing complication or business hook comes up. There are many such channels, lots of content, and the connections are very strong, at least with YouTube recommendations.

[FlameRobot]

That happens on car repair vids as well. I like this channel for example:

https://www.youtube.com/c/WatchWesWork

He fixes up a lot of different type of vehicles and actually explains in detail what he is doing. A lot of car stuff is just people like do a dyno test of like suped up car, I don't find it very interesting. I end up just blocking those channels.

I really think that people are nitpicking a system that works reasonably well for the most part.

[Sammi]

Rogan, peterson, and shapiro might not like the alt right, but the alt right sure likes them. At which point do they become willing accomplicies?

[FlameRobot]

The alt-right does not like them. You don't know what you are talking about.

[Sammi]

For not liking them they sure cannot stop talking about how much they like what they say.

[FlameRobot]

They do not. The alt-right hate Jews or people who support Israel. Ben Shapiro is a Jew, Jordan Peterson supports Israel and used to work for Daily Wire that had a Jewish host. No white nationalist would ever support that.

You are either lying, or have no idea what you are on about.

[Sammi]

We all get showed the alt right rage bait on youtube. It's full of "shapiro destroys libtards", "peterson annihilates the woke left", and "Rogan talks to <alt right conspiracy theorist> and wakes up to the real truth".

You can't deny what is right in front of everyone to see.

[FlameRobot]

> We all get showed the alt right rage bait on youtube. t's full of "shapiro destroys libtards", "peterson annihilates the woke left", and "Rogan talks to <alt right conspiracy theorist> and wakes up to the real truth".

Firstly. None of that is alt-right. It is America Republican slop rage-bait. Alt-right specifically means White Nationalist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

> The alt-right (abbreviated from alternative right), or dissident right, is a far-right, white nationalist movement. A largely online phenomenon, the alt-right originated in the United States during the late 2000s before increasing in popularity and establishing a presence in other countries during the mid-2010s.

White Nationalists literally hate the Jews, Israel and anyone that support them.

- Ben Shapiro is a Jewish Neocon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism)/

- Jordan Peterson supports Israel and last time I checked worked for the Daily Wire. The Daily Wire was co-founded by Ben Shapiro.

- Joe Rogan is 90s style liberal who is into UFOs, Big Foot and other kooky shit. He literally named his comedy bar "The Mothership". Nothing about that is White Nationalist/Alt-right.

None of them are White Nationalists, nor would they be accepted by White Nationalists. So you are 100% incorrect on that.

Secondly, The Ben Shapiro Ownage stuff was popular circa 2015-2018. Guess what was popular before that? "Hitch Slap", which was Christopher Hitchens basically berating people are various religions.

I've not seen any of that content described in years and it fell out of favour back in 2018-2019.

> You can't deny what is right in front of everyone to see.

It isn't though.

None of the ownage videos have been popular for years and quite honestly I don't believe you have seen them unless you've specifically gone looking for them.

I have tested whether this does come up on a fresh browser profile using a VPN set to the US (as I am in the UK). I used several different locations in the US. I didn't see one of these videos.

I believe you and others are lying because they have a political axe to grind.

[skinnymuch]

You’re too focused on labels. Humans don’t work that neatly. Political labels can work if you and the other person are educated on politics (95%+ of HN isn’t) but otherwise focusing on labels mislead the convo and vibe.

A lot of white nationalists love Israel. Saying they don’t is like saying a lot of fascists don’t love fascism (aka Israel). A lot don’t and a lot do.

Similarly there are plenty of people who are progressive except for Palestine/Israel (it’s a known saying). And plenty of conservative or right wing people who are not progressive except about Palestine.

> You would only use that framing if you were listening to those commentators and/or publications that used similar phrasing.

Projection

[FlameRobot]

> You’re too focused on labels. Humans don’t work that neatly.

No I am using the terms correctly. You (from later on in your reply) aren't.

> Political labels can work if you and the other person are educated on politics (95%+ of HN isn’t) but otherwise focusing on labels mislead the convo and vibe.

These are specific political positions that are held by prominent members. Calling Ben Shapiro a white nationalist is simply idiotic. If you aren't informed about it, maybe you should not make strong claims about it.

> A lot of white nationalists love Israel. Saying they don’t is like saying a lot of fascists don’t love fascism (aka Israel). A lot don’t and a lot do.

No they don't. No white nationalist would support the Jews or Israel. I am sorry you are simply showing your ignorance.

As an aside, Fascism is a wildly misunderstood and misused term. I actually loathe ever talking about it today because like the term "Nazi" it has been totally misused by idiots. You do not understand the term fascist.

> Similarly there are plenty of people who are progressive except for Palestine/Israel (it’s a known saying). And plenty of conservative or right wing people who are not progressive except about Palestine.

Obviously there are splinter groups in any organisation that believe different things. Those people btw are referred to differently.

> Projection

No at all. I am just calling it as I see it. I also lost any good will I would have had with you in the conversation as a result of this jab.

[skinnymuch]

You make it sound like anti-semites will always dislike Israel as if the average evangelical isn’t an anti-semite. This is why normies who don’t understand politics and over emphasis idpol and labels are always surprised when anti-semites can and do love Israel.