[alexpetros]

> I worked for a company that was all hateoas. In the formal sense, explicitly structured around the concept, not the sense that html has both data and actions via links, it worked, it was a real product, but it was slow and terrible to develop and debug.

The web is also a real product, one that's (when not bloated with adtech) capable of being fast and easy to develop on. That other people have tried to do HATEOAS and failed to make it nice is part of why it's so useful to acknowledge as valid the one implementation that has wildly succeeded.

[fellowniusmonk]

I do just want to be clear because I'm not 100% following I don't think.

You aren't saying hypermedia/hyperlinks served by a backend equal hateaos are you?

hateaos is from 2000 isn't it? Long after hyperlinks and the web already existed.

[dragonwriter]

REST, including HATEOAS, was largely retrospective documentation of the architectural underpinning of the WWW by Roy Fielding (who played an important role in web technology from 1993 on, was the co-lead for the HTTP/1.0 spec, the lead for the original HTTP/1.1 spec, and also, IIRC, lead or co-lead on the original URL spec. The things it documented existed before it documented them.

[fellowniusmonk]

Thanks. Appreciate it.

[masklinn]

> You aren't saying hypermedia/hyperlinks served by a backend equal hateaos are you?

That’s exactly what it is.

> hateaos is from 2000 isn't it? Long after hyperlinks and the web already existed.

> Over the past six years, the REST architectural style has been used to guide the design and development of the architecture for the modern Web, as presented in Chapter 6. This work was done in conjunction with my authoring of the Internet standards for the Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) and Uniform Resource Identifiers (URI), the two specifications that define the generic interface used by all component interactions on the Web.

This is straight from the intro of fielding’s doctoral dissertation.

[JimDabell]

REST / HATEOAS is basically one of the main architects of the web saying “these are the things we did that made the web work so well”. So yes, REST was published after the web already existed, but no that doesn’t mean that the web is not REST / HATEOAS.