[Judgmentality]

I'm not telling you how to live your life. I'm pointing out that peaceful protest is pointless. And a strike without organization is also pointless.

There are no easy answers here. If you want change, expect to fight for it.

[cartoonworld]

>peaceful protest is pointless.

This is not true. There are trivially many historical examples.

[LexiMax]

Peaceful protest makes the massive assumption that there is a working press out there that is willing to be sympathetic. Instead, our press seems to be at best complicit and capitulation-minded, at worst collaborative.

For what it's worth, I don't think this is a new phenomenon. I remember quite clearly the way the press treated Occupy Wall Street, pretending that it was just a bunch of random loiterers who didn't have clear demands and goals.

In that case, the media simply made the editorial choice not to go out of their way to engage with the protesters, metaphorically covering their ears and then asking why they couldn't hear anything. Things have only gotten worse in the decades since.

[Judgmentality]

Name some historical examples where people only protested on the weekend, didn't go on strike, and didn't have a threat of violence or some sort of leverage behind it.

[xrd]

I totally get it and appreciate your words. When I step back I realize I have a lot of privilege and many others face much worse prospects and are much more courageous than I am.

[exit]

peaceful protest is not pointless, no.

peacefully expressing opposition is enormously powerful.

there is still hope that it will be the path out of this worsening nightmare.

[Judgmentality]

You really think a bunch of people holding signs on the weekend, then going back to work the next day is accomplishing anything? What are you accomplishing?

It doesn't matter how many of you there are if none of you are willing to actually do anything. If I just ignore you, how does it change anything in my life? The only thing you're achieving is making yourselves feel better about accomplishing nothing.

[exit]

yeah, i really think it accomplishes a lot.

at a minimum, it makes it clear to others that they are not alone in thinking this regime is beyond the pale.

people who are able to take other actions like engaging via the judicial system, or peacefully refusing to continue working, are also encouraged by seeing peaceful masses of people agreeing with them.

it actually harms the cause to be dismissive of people who can contribute by simply making their peaceful objection visible.

[Judgmentality]

> it actually harms the cause to be dismissive of people who can contribute by simply making their peaceful objection visible

I think it harms the cause to feel better about accomplishing nothing. You've created a morale booster, but you haven't actually achieved anything or put forth any sort of plan to enact any sort of change. Assuming your goal is to make the government function according to written laws, why would the current president give a shit about anything you say when he can just continue to ignore you? If he ignored you before, you holding up a sign isn't going to do anything.

Protests work when there is some sort of threat behind it. Most protests you read about in history aren't a few hours on the weekend, they're ongoing where everybody is already participating in a strike. And many of them have the obvious threat of violence behind them. This "protest on the weekend" shit is pathetic. I'm not going to congratulate you for wasting time while everything continues to get worse. From my perspective you are part of the problem.