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by egorfine 232 days ago
run0 can f off along with the rest of the systemd abominations. sudo worked for decades perfectly well and didn't call for any replacement. run0, like much of the systemd projects and rust rewrites, is a solution in search of a problem.
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eredengrin 232 days ago
> sudo worked for decades perfectly well

Yes, if you ignore all the bugs resulting from features that almost nobody uses.

> along with the rest of the systemd abominations

Not too interested in engaging systemd debates. I have enjoyed using systems with and without systemd, and while I understand the arguments against feature creep, I think you'd be throwing the banana out with the peel to overlook the idea behind run0.

For such a security sensitive piece of software like sudo, reducing complexity is one of the best ways to prevent logic bugs (which, as you mentioned in the sibling, is what the above bug was). If run0 can remove a bunch of unused features that are increasing complexity without any benefit, that's a win to me. Or if you don't like systemd, doas on OpenBSD is probably right up your alley with a similar(ish) philosophy.

For anyone who wants to read more about Lennart's reasoning behind run0: https://mastodon.social/@pid_eins/112353324518585654

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egorfine 231 days ago
I have to reluctantly agree with you on the merit.

However run0 has a property of being a systemd project, which makes it a no go from the inception. And sudo-rs has a similar property of being a virtue signaling project and not a real one. Hence, sudo stays.

> For anyone who wants to read more about Lennart's reasoning

I'm not sure LP is a high-quality source. He has reputation that makes me want to listen to everyone else but him.

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eredengrin 231 days ago
> I'm not sure LP is a high-quality source. He has reputation that makes me want to listen to everyone else but him.

Based off his reputation, I would agree, but after reading a lot of his own words via blog posts, comments in github issues, etc, I wonder how he gained that reputation. He has solid reasoning behind many of his ideas even if you disagree with them, and his comments seem pretty respectful and focused on the technical aspects. Maybe things were different in the past, or maybe some segments of the community just never forgave him for the early buggy systemd implementations, or maybe I just happened to only read things he wrote when he wasn't having a bad day, who knows.

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egorfine 230 days ago
Yeah, but he's coming from a viewpoint that is incompatible with the community at large. "Whatever you did in the past was wrong, fuck you and your opinion, that's how it's gonna be".

So, not interested in his opinions even on merit.

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