[Flamingoat]

I haven't touched Gentoo in 20 years.

If you use archinstall as I said you can be up and running in 20 minutes on a fast connection. You literally just state what you want setup through a menu, make a hot drink and you have a working desktop. It is pretty hassle free in my experience.

I haven't tried the FreeBSD installer in a couple of years but I always find that I end up lost in the menus or something doesn't work correctly. Then I am kinda left faffing trying to get X working, ports or something else working. I couldn't set the desktop resolution properly and I suspect there was some magic flag I had set somewhere or install firmware.

I just can't be bothered when I can install Debian or Arch in about 15-20 minutes and everything works fine.

[BSDobelix]

>I just can't be bothered when I can install Debian or Arch in about 15-20 minutes and everything works fine.

And that's perfectly fine, i would also never criticize people who just buy a Mac, some people are just interested in different stuff. However if you have problems getting lost in "menus" but wanna try out a BSD try GhostBSD:

https://www.ghostbsd.org/

[Flamingoat]

> And that's perfectly fine, i would also never criticize people who just buy a Mac, some people are just interested in different stuff.

I used to be an operating system enthusiast. I've tried them all at one time. I just have a job now (I have to use Windows at work) and I just not interested in faffing to get graphics working. The experience hasn't changed that much with FreeBSD in 20 years. Some might be okay with that, but I don't really want to have to spend 3 days getting a basic desktop environment behaving properly.

OpenBSD is better in this regard than FreeBSD, I've found.

> However if you have problems getting lost in "menus" but wanna try out a BSD try GhostBSD: https://www.ghostbsd.org/

This is kinda like distro-hopping. I don't want to run some weird fork of the OS, because you will end up with a new set problems potentially. I don't use derivative distros for this very reason and only use mainline distros.

I don't understand why (I don't care for wanky reasons that often quoted) that there isn't a mechanism for me to quickly get up an running with a desktop. The situation hasn't changed in 20+ years. Whereas Linux (for all the faults that it has) has effectively had this problem solved for over a decade now.

[BSDobelix]

It's really a YOU problem, i have working X on all my machines, have a good day.

You do You and that's good, just use what you like.

[Flamingoat]

> It's really a YOU problem, i have working X on all my machines, have a good day.

Not at all. I can read the man pages and docs fine. Stuff like this should work out of the box by now. It doesn't with the BSDs typically. That is the reality.

Also, it isn't just X. It is other issues once you have X working.

Once you spent a good few hours sorting things out, there is almost no benefit over running a decent Linux distribution where almost all of this working OOTB.

I don't understand why you are getting bent out of shape. I am simply stating the facts as I see them.

> You do You and that's good, just use what you like.

Well obviously I am going to use what I like.

However stating that doesn't mean you stop me (or anyone else) from making constructive criticisms of something you like.

I have used tried many of the *nix variants over the last 20 years. It is just easier to use Linux if you want a desktop OS.

[BSDobelix]

>I have used tried many of the *nix variants over the last 20 years. It is just easier to use Linux if you want a desktop OS.

Super happy for you, you found your OS and that's fine, but also super proud of myself that i can setup X on every FreeBSD machine so nonchalant ;)

[Flamingoat]

> Super happy for you, you found your OS and that's fine,

That isn't what I said. I said that Linux is easier than BSD for a desktop and there is no real reason why that should be the case. That is an objective fact.

I would rather use neither of these systems, but the alternatives are worse. At the moment Linux is the least worst option if you want a Desktop OS.

> but also super proud of myself that i can setup X on every FreeBSD machine so nonchalant ;)

As I said it isn't just X.

The point that you don't want to engage with (bit childish tbh), is that a lot of this should completely unnecessary. There really should need to be a fork of the OS for having a desktop configuration that works reasonably well out of the box.

That is failure of both the OS and the community, which judging by your username you seem to be a member.

[anthk]

Your first error it's to put every BSD in the same place. They aren't the same. OpenBSD requires nearly no config.

[Flamingoat]

False. There is some config required (these are in the READMEs that are in each package that specified what options need setting) and BTW some of it doesn't work on supported hardware.