[johnjames87]

Even Piers Morgan acknowledged that that "salute" was a "my heart goes out to you" and not a nazi salute, but with the latent tribalism we have in politics, I'm sure you will refuse to even consider that as a possibility. And the comparison with pol pot is just downright dumb. Elon Musk as always been pro freedom.

[saubeidl]

"Even" the right wing talk show host Piers Morgan, well I'm convinced.

Elon Musk as always been pro freedom, except when people disagree with him or he doesn't like them: https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...

[johnjames87]

Anti-gun Piers Morgan is now right wing.

[sofixa]

Piers Morgan is English.

It might be shocking for some Americans, but pro/anti gun is a political issue almost exclusively in the US. In the rest of the developed world, nobody is "pro" gun. Even far right loons (and I mean proper loons, like a motorist party or a bunch of weirdos screaming about vaccines in parliament) in the EU aren't "pro"-guns.

And yes, Piers Morgan is on the right of the spectrum as it exists in the UK and EU.

[sofixa]

Watch the video.

Piers Morgan has no integrity and is extremely biased, what is the "even" supposed to mean?

> Elon Musk as always been pro freedom.

Unless it's freedom to criticise him, or freedom to say anything on twitter, or freedom to say his dumb submarine idea is nonsense, or freedom in the form of neutral information with limited bias. Then you're a pedophile or banned :)

[johnjames87]

> Piers Morgan has no integrity and is extremely biased

He frequently disagrees and argues with right and left wing guests he has on. You can argue that he's wrong, but that he's biased? You either don't know Piers Morgan or you really want to believe that.

[simondotau]

It’s hard to believe Musk suddenly decided to flash a Nazi salute in one random moment. If that were his intent, he’d have owned it as he always does with controversial takes. Occam’s Razor applies: a famously awkward guy made a clumsy gesture because he was too caught up in the moment to think about how he is comporting himself.

[johnjames87]

exactly

[breve]

Musk flashed a fascist salute. He did it deliberately, he grunted with the effort, and he did it twice so you wouldn't miss it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smQNNo2a9xc

There's no mistaking it. There's no confusing it with something else.

If you are to apply Occam's Razor then the conclusion is that these are simply and precisely the fascist salutes they appear to be.

Let me ask you this, if I stuck my middle finger up at you while telling you that my heart went out to you, what would you think?

[simondotau]

So what you're saying is that it's a dog whistle, but it's also really noisy, and also a secret coded message to... who again?

[breve]

It isn't a secret coded message. He's showing you exactly who and what he is.

You didn't answer my question.

[simondotau]

So what you’re saying is that he “showed exactly who and what he is” for five seconds out of the past 30+ years of his public life. Surely I can pick a different five seconds of his life to judge the entirety of the person, and I’d be on just as firm footing as you.

Also, you didn’t answer my question.