[pxc]

Companies that use Microsoft for one thing invariably use it for another, and then another, and then another, because they're "already paying for it". Their business model has always been like this.

Microsoft Office usage is highly predictive of lots and lots of other choices.

[lostlogin]

> Microsoft Office usage is highly predictive of lots and lots of other choices.

Job sites could do with this as a filter. Even more specifically, ‘Teams’.

[dijit]

I once rejected a job because of Teams; I felt bad/entitled about it though...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30264591

[lazide]

I’m fairly certain I’d deeply regret my life choices if I had to use teams daily. Occasional (mandatory) usage interacting with it for various gov’t usage, etc. has reinforced that view.

Why subject yourself to something you know you’ll hate every day if you can avoid it?

Is that being entitled? Plenty of people don’t have such choices, sure!

If so, who cares? Live your life, make your decisions. Don’t let jealous people make your life miserable.

Personally, I’d rank it as:

1. Google meet (as good as a gvc program can get for actual meetings, near as I can tell). Best when you have a group of people who are somewhat co-ordinated and not malicious though.

2. Zoom (not great for actual meeting quality, like audio/video, but not bad - and has a lot of useful tools and workflow stuff, especially for larger groups of strangers. I get it)

3..24 - every other random product.

25. Teams (lots of random bugs, worse than zoom for actual meeting quality, tons of silly MS’isms when trying to actually use it, somehow doesn’t work well for groups of people working together OR for groups of strangers, etc).

MS is the king of the package deal and ‘check box sales’, so they are impossible to avoid for long however.

[type0]

Teams client version for Linux was discontinued 2022. Yeah MS loves Linux, in the same way cats love mice.

[pxc]

If everyone else genuinely loved Teams, I could stomach using it even though I hate it. But regardless of what anyone says about it, it seems the rest of the company also hates it— it's a ghost town. There's no sense of community whatsoever.

My personal "sample size" is too small to be sure, but I worry that Teams usage is poisonous to collaboration and engineering culture.

[phatskat]

When I did my orientation, we got set up on teams and they made a group chat for our cohort. I think I’ve used it…once in the two years I’ve been there? Otherwise, Teams is for meetings, thankfully the company managed to stick with Slack despite pretty much everything else being wrapped in the MS tendrils.

I do wonder if they tried to push teams for text chat before I got there and were shot down. Management seems fairly receptive to some amount of give and take when it comes to decisions about office tooling e.g. I was cited as “the reason” engineers still have access to Figma Dev Mode, and I can’t say we had more than a handful of vocal people pushing to keep it. Company size is somewhere between 200-500 iirc

[qwertytyyuu]

I don't mind teams but really do hate outlook.

[michaelcampbell]

I like(d) the fat Outlook windows client; it had the set of rules/filters features that corresponded to my needs.

The web client is pants, though.

[lostlogin]

But you can ‘thumbs up’ an email!

Do you even read your ‘weekly digest’?

/s

[phatskat]

I’ve never been so constantly annoyed and confused in an email client than I am in Outlook. I miss actual important emails because the UI is a sea of junk.

[honkostani]

The whole Eco-system is designed like a lobster trap. Easy to get in, hard to get out except by swimming through hot butter sauce.