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by somenameforme 241 days ago
There's huge pink elephant that I think many aren't aware of here.

A former chess world champion, Vladimir Kramnik, has turned into a sort of self satire seeking out cheaters in online chess. Basically everybody is cheating according to him, he even implied Hikaru Nakamura, the 2nd strongest player in the world, could be cheating.

Eventually his sights fell on Danya. At first I thought they were both kind of playing it up as a sort of a joke. For instance after the accusations Danya did a video where he had something absurd like a dozen different cameras watching him play from different angles. And in response Kramnik mentioned some petty absurdity that I can't even recall at this point - maybe there was a laptop on a chair or something? 'What is that computer Danya, suspicious, him?' And this sort of nonsense continued on for some time.

I still think Kramnik is doing it as a half-serious joke, but Danya clearly took it very seriously. He believed that his reputation had been ruined (even though just most people think Kramnik is the one who has mostly destroyed his own reputation and mostly just seen as a bit 'kooky' now a days) and Danya became a dramatically different person over about 2 years.

Previously he was kind of a happy go lucky blitz obsessed guy. But he gradually became increasingly morose and insecure. He also seemed to be losing weight, though I have no idea if that is accurate - I'm basing it solely on outside appearances which can be misleading. In any case, this was almost certainly related, and it makes the whole situation far darker.

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We don’t even know yet how he died, isn’t it a bit early to pin it on someone?
Sure, but all the same, given what you've said, isn't it a bit weird that Kramnik himself has rushed to raise drug taking suspicions? Is he trying to divert attention? Regardless of whether he has anything to do with this, it would have been classy of him to stay quiet for a while about this
I guess, I’m not particularly a fan of JAQing off regardless of if I have a distaste for the person in question.
It's not pinning anything on anybody. It's explaining the context to the probably 99% of people who have no idea what was going on here. Obviously this news was a shock to everybody, but it's also a case where you can kind of immediately understand why. Everybody could see he was fading before our eyes, but nobody realized quite how serious it was.

I can't imagine how awful his friend and boss feel right now. He was behaving extremely erratically on his final stream to the point that they dropped by at 1am (granted that's more like 3pm in typical chess player time) to try to get him to stop playing, calm down, and just go to bed. They're obviously going to be asking themselves if they could have done more. The same is even true of Hikaru who recounted his last conversation with Danya, which was again about trying to help him up, and he teared up while again wondering if he could have done more.

And the catalyst for his decline was the cheating accusations. Yet the one 'mitigating' thing for Kramnik is that Danya really fell out of touch with reality with regards to the accusations. He made it clear that he felt many, if not most, people felt he was cheating. But in reality, basically nobody did. Kramnik has become basically a meme to the point that his accusations hold about as much weight as being called a naughty name online.

Of course from Danya's perspective it was going to be much more painful because he mentioned that Kramnik was one of his chess idols growing up. And people don't understand the amount of work it takes to become very good at chess. To then have one of your idols turn around and claim you're cheating, which is essentially pissing on all your work, is going to sting. And Danya had an immense, substantially more than average, amount of reverence for the title of world champion, which he felt that was causing people to believe Kramnik.

He felt the world was turning against him, but it simply wasn't. And the catalyst for this change was the accusations.

These are things you know? Or this is what you imagine might have happened and what he might have been thinking? For me it makes quite a big difference on how seriously to take you, if you actually know him or not (not in a parasocial way).
This is not hypothetical. He made his views on the topic completely clear, repeatedly. The entire accusations had essentially started to become a major part of who he was and he endlessly focused on them. He also mentioned what I said about them coming from Kramnik and how that was particularly hurtful for him.
Where? I watched his videos and I never saw him say anything like what you’ve written.
On his Twitch streams this issue was constantly brought up. While the frequency of discussion was obviously highest around the time of the accusations, it was brought up in basically every single stream, all alongside the very visible decline of his overall 'wellness' over the past ~2 years.

This [1] is from his final stream, and it's clear he was already at the breaking point. I feel most awful for his friend Bortnyk (one of the two voices you hear in the background there essentially having an intervention), he's going to be beating himself up thinking he could have done more, for years to come.

Everybody could see Danya deteriorating, but somehow I think nobody really realized just how 'real' it was. Magnus, who also regularly followed Danya's streams, has mentioned that he somewhat regrets not coming out publicly in defense of him. Probably in part because his views on cheating were already somewhat tainted at this point, and probably in part because nobody wanted to be the next person Kramnik started going after.

[1] - https://youtu.be/112JImX_cWM?t=8071

If you've been following the drama, his involvement is obvious at this point.
It read that as useful context overall, not that parent was trying to pin it on/blame someone. Without
Indeed, he also quit commenting, which he was really good at and seemed to enjoy doing in the past
So Kramnik likes to engage in mobbing? What does the community say about this?
The chess community is generally against it, though they're also laughing at Kramnik for his absurd his behaviour is. I'd be surprised if Kramnik's behaviour is a major contributing factor (given we don't know anything about Danya's cause of death), but if it is, I would hope he finds himself shunned from the community at a minimum.

As it is, he's already behaved in awful ways: accusing children of cheating without evidence, for example, and effectively doxxing them.

It’s internet drama, surely counter (and counter-counter)-mobs are already forming. The fans do this regardless of the wishes of the influencer.
He had a very bad time at Freestyle a while ago and he quit that if I remember correctly. These things could be many reasons, internal and external. Stop accusing Kramnik, everyone knows he throws around cheating accusations at anything that moves.
so another victim of the algorithm? social media promotes this type of bullying behavior as advertisers are Happy to put their ads in harasing videos as long they dont say certain words. Ridiculous. Its sad that platforms themselves are above the law, of course in the TOS they promise democracy but its a lie and they give us Roman colloseum as its what sells the most