[throwawayq3423]

> J6 was some kind of insurrection, but the BLM riots were peaceful protests

I'm not a fan of shameless whataboutisms, but this one is particularly bad. The attempted insurrection on January 6th had nothing to do with Black Lives Matter riots (Funny, you can never say those words. It's always an abbreviation).

It was a premeditated attack on the Capitol at the exact time and place the new president was being certified.

It is the most cut and dry example of an attempted coup this country has seen in decades, and it was organized and executed by the sitting, and current President.

There's no reason for you to try to remake history. Your guy got back into power and made all of his legal problems disappear.

He has not avoided prison because he was somehow not guilty. He avoided prison by overcoming the legal system.

[dotancohen]

  > He avoided prison by overcoming the legal system.

I don't live in the US so maybe I don't understand, but this sounds like a failure of the legal system, not of the defendant.

[throwawayq3423]

> this sounds like a failure of the legal system, not of the defendant

100%. He found a flaw and exploited it to escape justice, which is different than not being guilty of the crimes he clearly committed.

[dotancohen]

On second thought, isn't a core tenet of the US justice system "innocent until proven guilty"? Under that tenet, along with the fact that he was never found guilty, wouldn't US values require considering him innocent? Or have US values changed since that tenet was adopted?

[throwawayq3423]

He had already been convicted of multiple unrelated felonies.

He was in the process of being tried in multiple cases in multiple jurisdictions regarding his attempts to compromise an American election, each time with overwhelming, nearly comical evidence against him.

Saying he's innocent until proven guilty not only ignores the reality that the cases against him, even based on what is publicly available evidence, were airtight, but also the fact that these cases only went away because he won re-election and made them go away.

That's not justice.

[dotancohen]

Yes, good point.