[dijit]

Performance.

Even on literally top of the line machines (Razer Blade 18, Ultra 9 275HX, 64G DDR5, NVMe over PCIE4, 240Hz display) the thing feels sluggish.

UI "quirks" such as hiding the context menu, taskbar being forced into place, and the removal of the "never combine" taskbar buttons are just gobsmacking.

Worse, Windows Pioneered "drag and drop" yet now we can't even drag and drop files or shortcuts onto taskbar icons.. a workflow I actually used a lot and which is still supported in MacOS.

The forced integration is also a non-starter. MacOS doesn't require online accounts, Apps (onedrive, Teams, Cortana et al) or force "suggestions" down my throat in the UI even though I am constantly told that Apple are the ones who force their ecosystem on me.

[prewett]

> Windows Pioneered "drag and drop"

I don't believe that it did. MacOS 1 had drag and drop. You could always drag a document onto a program to open the document with that program. Also, notably, to eject a floppy disk permanently you dragged the floppy disk to the trash can.

[ndiddy]

Are you on 26 yet or still 15? I've heard a lot of bad things about performance getting way worse on 26, so I'm wary of upgrading my M1.

[dijit]

Still 15.

As soon as I heard them say "We're finally able to make the UI that Apple Silicon enables because of its performance" I knew wholeheartedly that it was going to be an enormous performance thief.

I'm not touching 26 with a 10-foot-pole.

I will even avoid buying new Macbook laptops, even though I have an M2 Air and M5 is around the corner.

[bigyabai]

This sort of forced integration is exactly why I consider macOS a non-starter. The ARM chips are neat, but I'm only interested in daily-driving computers I can own.

[dijit]

Taken from: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45643100 which I posted elsewhere 10hrs ago.

I'm also of that perspective.

It's sort of worth noting though that when Microsoft is presented with an option for blocking out Linux installation: they take it.[0]

When Apple are presented with an option for allowing Linux, they take it.[1]

The major difference here is OEMs, and that Apple has no OEMs.

We're essentially giving Microsoft the moral high ground even though they do nothing to earn it.

[0]: https://www.mickaelwalter.fr/linux-on-surface-rt/#:~:text=Al...

[1]: https://asahilinux.org/about/#:~:text=Apple%20allows%20booti...

[wredcoll]

Is that a windows11 thing? It sounds awful, I have a windows10 razer that is very snappy and I am dreading being forced to change to 11.

[dijit]

Yeah, it's specifically Windows 11 that has this issue.

I'm not certain as to why, if I had to speculate it would be the new scheduler prefers the efficiency cores and then thrashes the L1/L2 cache as soon as there's any actual work to do in the operating system (IE; you clicked something) by putting it on a performance core.

Windows 11 performance seems to be less terrible on devices that don't have big.LITTLE architectures.