[nurettin]

Before the topic is ironically flagged, I guess it is time to have "the talk".

Although you can construct peaceful narratives from both books, and most people are trying to do that, and I commend and appreciate their efforts immensely, fact of the matter is: you are swimming up the current.

The societies depicted in them were highly disturbed, warring tribes. The lessons from stories were harsh, often bordering on sadism. Pretty much everyone grew up with trauma if they survived.

Although you can find little nuggets of wisdom here and there about being humble and patient and not getting on a high horse, calling these books key to the universe is like pushing a camel through a needle hole.

Now should people mark "holy" book apps unsafe? maybe, but it isn't going to save children from being exposed. It will just disturb well meaning people and enrage the not so nice ones.

[peterangular]

Totally agreed. Anecdotal, but actually reading the Bible, linear + cover to cover, was one of biggest reasons I became an atheist.

[1718627440]

The bible is a long introduction to the punchline, that the highest entity rather gets himself killed, then raising the hand against anyone, and that it wants everyone to be like that.

> is like pushing a camel through a needle hole

I see what you did there...

[Hizonner]

> the highest entity rather gets himself killed, then raising the hand against anyone

Well, after personally destroying some cities, cursing an entire civilization with plagues including the death of their firstborn, and ordering the "chosen people" to take over some land by slaughtering everybody living there. And the "getting killed" part didn't remove the threat of eternal fire for anybody who doesn't go along with the program. That's the big stuff I remember off the top of my head.

You have to ignore a lot of stuff in both testaments to get to where you're trying to go.

[1718627440]

> the threat of eternal fire

Btw., the purificatorium is actually a bath (in Latin) and it's not eternal. Also Jesus isn't talking much about that.

> You have to ignore a lot of stuff in both testaments to get to where you're trying to go.

Yes. But it's still introduction and references for the punchline.

[Hizonner]

> "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels". -- Matthew 25:41

That's supposed to be a quote from Jesus, personally. In fact he's talking about himself saying that in the future. See that word "everlasting"? Other translations use "eternal".

It's permanent Hell. It's really, really clear. He doesn't have to talk much about it, because he's made the point.

[Edited to fix the chapter and verse]

[1718627440]

Yes, I don't disagree with you here.

In my opinion this doesn't describe anything happening in this world, so it is not relevant, whether to label it NSFW, and it isn't encouraging you to be violent in this world.

[akshitgaur2005]

subjecting people to eternal punishment for a fleeting crime and dehumanising some people is okay?