[techblueberry]

What I get out of this is a sincere position that “we’re good and you’re bad and we’re smart and you’re dumb and not going to college is great if you agree with me, but if you don’t agree with me, that’s evidence you’re an idiot.”

It’s very weird because they’ll argue whatever they argue because it’s convenient. Either Trump is good because he’s a credentialed elite, or he’s good because he trusts his gut and common sense over intellectualism.

There is no part of this argument that I think is authentic, objectively applied or made in good faith, and actually, I’m not even sure he presents a cohesive argument in his own words here.

[pols45]

It feels weird because its targeted at herd animals. The herd animal derives its sense of safety in an unpredictable universe, from the most dominant signaler around they can find. The signal will bounce off or feel manipulative for those who don't need it.

[copacopab]

Your point here being "people who care about credentialism are herd animals"?

[copacopab]

Trump extremely clearly got in as a nepo kid, so I'd discard him in this argument.

Personally, I find PT's argument sincere that good colleges do measure something important -- even if you disagree with his takes and arguments. I agree with you that his point lost cohesiveness when Bari asked him. He prevaricated -- to a random point on Democrats -- when asked because he didn't want to spell out "Yes, actually, prestige does matter a lot." Something that most, including the hosts of this great blog, agree on tacitly.

[techblueberry]

What is a “good college” though (to Peter Thiel), Peter Thiel is like the originator of the idea that elite credentialism is a negative indicator in modern society. So probably not any of the institutions like Harvard or Penn or Yale that he mentions in this speech.

[copacopab]

A college where in order to get in you have to show you've been diligent on grades, extracurriculars, and testing for 18 years straight. Ofc exceptions to this, like Trump; but most of the student body of such a college would fit this description. That's a good college.

PT just doesn't like the world that these people ended up creating after being enointed elites, which in parts I agree with.

[twixfel]

It's putting the cart before the horse. An elite university matters in so far as it may indicate a strong intellect and strong drive. Trump went to an elite university and presumably is a hard worker but has some level of mental disability. There are many such people like that I would assume.

[copacopab]

If I elaborate on this, I might find myself in El Salvador by the end of the week. And I need to close my Seed. Choosing silence.