| > male and female traits/roles pervade the animal kingdom Your citations don't really support your claim well, since the sections you quoted don't mention traits or roles much at all. --- Also, why mention Orangutans and Gorillas, but leave out Bonobos? According to https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/natured-nurture/2022..., "Evolutionarily, humans are equally related to patriarchal chimpanzees and matriarchal bonobos". I almost thought to argue that this means that humanity could basically pick its traits, except... the traits mentioned for two species seem fairly gendered themselves: "Chimpanzees are male-dominated, competitive, territorial, and sometimes violent. Bonobos are female-dominated, peaceful, and highly sexual." This reminds me of the ""Nordic gender equality paradox", where "in Sweden and Norway, gender strongly influences job choice despite high levels of gender equality". Ultimately, I think the argument that everyone should be having is not whether gendered traits exist, but whether this fact is something that should be enforced or resisted. I personally think it should be resisted as resisting our basic impulses is generally considered more enlightened or noble and the world already has enough idiots who will try to put others in a box and claim some sort of evolutionary justification. |
The sections do mention roles very clearly. If you're not capable of making these basic connections, it's no wonder that you're confused.
For chimps:
> At the core of social structures are males, which patrol the territory, protect group members, and search for food
Male roles: Patroller of territory, protector of group members.
For Orangutans:
> One to several resident female home ranges are encompassed within the home range of a resident male, who is their main mating partner.
Female roles: harem member. Male Roles: Alpha, Harem haver
For Gorillas:
> Troops tend to be made of one adult male or silverback, with a harem of multiple adult females and their offspring.
Female roles: harem member. Male Roles: Alpha, Harem haver
If roles weren't based on sex, a female Chimp would be just as likely to patrol territory, and a female gorilla would be just as likely to be an alpha with her own harem. The fact that these roles are only filled by males indicates that they are sex-based roles.
> Evolutionarily, humans are equally related to patriarchal chimpanzees and matriarchal bonobos
You've lost the plot. For bonobos to be matriarchal implies male and female traits/roles, which obviously supports my argument.
> I personally think it should be resisted as resisting our basic impulses is generally considered more enlightened or noble and the world already has enough idiots who will try to put others in a box and claim some sort of evolutionary justification.
Telling the truth is a good thing, actually. Encouraging people to understand their nature is good. Lying to people about their nature is bad. Encouraging people to misunderstand their nature, which will inevitably lead to them making life decisions based on lies, is bad. Borderline evil.