[austin-cheney]

What are you talking about with this talk of implosion? It sounds like boogieman nonsense from small children scared of the dark. I prefer to use vanilla JS when writing large SPAs and it works just fine.

There is a stereotype from the outside world that a great many programmers are autistic. The irrational fear of not using a framework for code in the browser is one of those cases that really screams the stereotype for all to see.

If you are using TypeScript there is inbuilt type checking for the DOM, because TypeScript ships with a very good data type library that describes the DOM in excellent detail.

[Our_Benefactors]

> What are you talking about with this talk of implosion? It sounds like boogieman nonsense from small children scared of the dark. I prefer to use vanilla JS when writing large SPAs and it works just fine.

It’s absolutely not and it absolutely doesn’t. Inheriting a VanillaJS project is often a nightmare because it screams “inexperienced developer” not to use a framework, so the code quality and build processes are often extremely low quality and undocumented.

[austin-cheney]

The complete irrational fear about writing original code is either autism or low intelligence. You wouldn’t be so reliant on a framework if writing in C, Rust, Zig, or most other languages. Developers are reliant on frameworks in JavaScript because they cannot program and the barrier of entry is low enough that anybody can do it.

[Our_Benefactors]

You come across as an asshole for professing this opinion “everyone else is autistic or dumb”, and also wrong. I would never want to work with you on a team; you seem like the type to flaunt existing best practices at any opportunity.

[austin-cheney]

First of all I said people who claim to be programmers and cannot write original code are either autistic or low intelligence. The emphasis there is on original code. Secondly, I know something about autism, because I have a child with autism.

Look at the comments in this thread. A guy asked a question about vanilla JavaScript, a completely valid question on a site about comments upon programming links, and yet notice all the comments that are instead not about that.

There are so many comments about writing React, which is not what this thread is about. There are so many comments from people talking about themselves instead of actually about programming, much less anything about vanilla JavaScript. There are also comments like yours that are instantly hostility towards anything about original code, a subject that you seem to find horrifying.

Yes, this is incredibly autistic. Some common traits of autism, among many more that each autistic person may or may not have:

* low social intelligence, which in this context displays when developers are only thinking about themselves, what's easiest for them, and cannot think about anything else such as users or business owners

* fragile ego, which in this context results in hostility at subjects that expose a developers shallow capabilities and results in false displays of high confidence to mask deeply felt insecurity

I got tired of working with immature people who, in a technical capacity, could only do a little more that copy/paste template code and were otherwise generally hostile because of high insecurity. I am now in a different line of work where I don't have babysit people.

Writing original code or writing applications without a giant framework isn't challenging, but the subject certainly feels like the world is caving in for a great many people who call themselves seniors or engineers.

[brazukadev]

the only thing I could read from your posts is low social intelligence and fragile ego.