[mittermayr]

well, i like the simplicity of a very minimalistic approach. at the same time, i feel it will require a certain presentation to get enough people to sign up. not breaking a sweat with the developing here, this one is more about bringing on the right people. so i'll be investing more time on refining the message and pushing it out than developing the site. but i guess a google docs is just too much of a gamble to risk my first set of contacts to the feedback of 'google docs? seriously?' -- of course it's the easiest way to test the idea. i'm not talking pay a developer two grand to build this and we'll take a look afterwards. i'm taking very simple (hopefully not another bootstrap, but maybe) implementation with a database hookup and basic design. i was thinking a facebook page could help as well to test the idea, but again, too risky to burn contacts. no? curious to hear a counter statement here... thanks!

[jessedhillon]

Ugh. I am getting some serious "when I ask for advice I mean tell me how great this will be" vibes from this thread.

[mittermayr]

i find it easier to challenge those with negative opinions and prefer when they take time to follow up. this is by far the most helpful stuff here. i take it from your comment history you're a critical person, which i'd definitely value if you added a tiny bit of what you actually thought about the idea. still curious.

[thaumaturgy]

Respectfully, I think this is a good example of why some of the best people on HN are getting more reluctant to participate in Ask threads.

Don't do this: Ask -> "Challenge those with negative opinions"

Do this: Ask -> Consider opinions -> ask more smart questions.

simonw and yoseph are exactly right. They are asking you, "How do you know that this is something people want?" Just because it would be valuable to you doesn't mean it's going to be valuable to enough other people to make enough money for you to live on.

You could find out if you have a market or not by throwing together something really small and simple and using that for a while, or you can find out by building a fancy website and doing everything else you're talking about to make your first presentation pretty, and then a year from now find yourself in the same position you're in now except with less money.

How many people need this?

How much are they willing to pay?

How are you going to make money?

How are you going to reach your market? (Can you partner up somehow with AirBnB or other popular travelers' sites?)

[mittermayr]

just one point: was never planning to build a 'fancy' website first. i just wanted something a bit more polished than a google docs.

everything else, yeah, i see your point and sort of feel bad. i get what you're saying and it makes sense. i do have an attitude that was trained to challenge negative statements because there's just so much 'this sucks!' on the internet and i always want to understand the motivation behind it.

on the statement of testing viability, 100% agree. asking around here whether you guys know if this will succeed or not is the wrong approach. i should have showed up with the google docs here and asked people to use it please and tell me what i missed. agree.

[thaumaturgy]

I get why you're reluctant to start with Google Docs. I would be too. Can I propose an in-between solution?

How about a really simple form that just adds people to a mailing list? "I am in [town]. I would like to receive an email when a visitor is in my area. [subscribe]" ... coupled with, "I am visiting [town]. I'd like to meet people. [send]"

If it stays small, you can manage this manually with little effort, and you'll know that it's probably not a service that lots of people are looking for. If it gets big, you won't be able to manage it manually anymore, but now you'll know whether or not people are interested.

[mittermayr]

that!!! i've seen this before a couple of times on HN and i always signed up. damn. why didn't i think of this right away. f* launchrock :) this is it. i'm serious.

[yoseph]

if you have a billion dollar idea or even a million dollar idea, you shouldn't worry about "burning" contacts. You'll have plenty of other people to test with.

If people have enough of a pain point, they'll happily use a google doc. Look at Craigslist. It's god-farking-awful (worse than a google doc), but people still use it to find apartments...

Let me ask you a question. What is the number one thing you need to test to prove the viability of this idea?

[mittermayr]

wow interesting remark. let me think, i'd say: if i get to find some 20 to 50 people willing to meet incoming folks with a certain flexiblity on meeting topic in different cities, willing to actually act on it, it probably would prove a point. so yeah, i get your statement. a google doc or some facebook arrangement will help to validate this quickly for sure.

i'll think a bit more about the viability question, it's a tricky and essential one ... the google doc + google form thing could be worth a test...