[nowaymo6237]

As much as I love node and typescript i am forever bummed it never achieved a railsy or Laravellian framework

[akarshc]

True, the closest thing i like in the node.js backend world is nestjs. It’s a solid framework for building apis, but as an mvp framework, it’s not quite on the same level as laravel, rails, or phoenix.

[nowaymo6237]

Nestjs is popular so there must be something to it. The problem is the complexity. Once you get a certain amount of complexity and meta programming in js you get significant slowdowns. Abstractions are expensive. Also the decorators and DI are weird

[akarshc]

That’s true. As the app grows, having many pages can become difficult to manage, especially with JS backends.

[Exoristos]

I used to feel the same way, but at a certain level of Node.js experience I came to prefer the backend JavaScript idiom. It's much lighter and more pragmatic, and gives the knowledgeable engineer a lot of flexibility. So stick with it.

[purplerabbit]

Have you checked out t3 stack? Curious which pieces are missing from that that you'd deem critical

[nowaymo6237]

Yes, it’s good, but not nearly as batteries included as it needs to be. Also all the dependencies move separately from each other in development