[dpflan]

Elixir is pretty "nifty", and has Rails feels. I have worked on and seen its performance compared to scaled up Rails application. The BEAM / OTP is a very cool system to program on top of. I think it would be a great underlying system to develop a consciousness for AI systems with its concurrency paradigms and message passing, node connecting, other builtins. I'm not sure if the AI/ML focused Elixir projects like Nx have really taken off, but again, an Elixir based system that accepts numerous connections, passes messages around like exciting synaptic communications between functions... it just seems cool, maybe just on paper...

[lab14]

What do you mean "consciousness for AI systems"?

[dpflan]

When you consider the message passing paradigm, I can envision how that simulates neuro-chemical communication between neurons (now here being functions that do things). So there is a design for communication between functions, then there are memory storage and information retrieval parts of the system, short-term RAM, long-term HD/SSD, databases, cache-systems, where relevant information can be and become manipulated. Long and short running processes, acceptance of fail-fast and that communications can fail and that's just part of software system life (I assume also a similar idea in the human brain, don't you find yourself forgetting something you were just thinking about?). There is then the external part of the system, accepting inputs from the outside.

[lab14]

The message passing paradigm is called the "Actor Model" and was invented in the 70s IIRC. It's available in most programming languages and it's not something exclusive to Elixir by any means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actor_model

[kylecazar]

Not exclusive to Elixir, but the BEAM was built from the ground-up around Actor for concurrency. Almost all other popular language ecosystems have it bolted on over time (with varying degrees of success) or relegated to a third party library. It's very natural and ergonomic in Elixir, because it's the paradigm of choice in the underlying vm.

Goroutines probably come closest.

[dpflan]

> It's very natural and ergonomic in Elixir, because it's the paradigm of choice in the underlying vm.

Thank you, this is the key factor -- a fundamental design decision that influences the foundation.

[dpflan]

Correct, it's not strictly unique to this. Even Ruby has it, but Ruby does not have BEAM/OTP.

Smalltalk was a fun language to work with, albeit academically.

[nasmorn]

Having built a mediumish soft realtime queue processing solution on rails I gotta say it was not great. If we didn’t kinda grow into it I would not have chosen ruby

[dpflan]

Thanks for sharing. Yeah, I think that's a problem with bolted on functionality. Did you end up building a new version with a different language? What kind of problems did you encounter that made the solution "not great"?