[ageitgey]

Sure, people always claim "drivers in MY city..."

But I've lived in both places and London is very different than SF. I'd say the UK has better drivers on average (and much more strict licensing requirements), but driving in London is much more challenging due to the tiny roads you have to navigate. There is no road in SF that is as hard to navigate as the average suburban London two-way traffic single car width road with parking on both sides.

An I'm not saying London is "the worst" by any means. It's nothing like driving in Vietnam or India. But it is very different to SF.

[Gigachad]

In some sense I think the "harder" roads might actually be easier since they just result in everyone moving slower and maybe worst case it gets stuck and requires manual control. While on "easier" roads when something goes wrong people are immediately killed.

[minwcnt5]

> There is no road in SF that is as hard to navigate as the average suburban London two-way traffic single car width road with parking on both sides.

I think you just described the entire Bernal Heights neighborhood in SF (except with 20+ degree steepness on top of that).

[tim333]

Driving in London is kind of weird these days in that you feel almost stationary. It's typically wait at lights for 2 min, drive at 15-20 mph for 40 seconds, repeat. I've mostly given up on it and use an ebike instead.

[eszed]

Lived (and driven) both cities. 100% agree with you.