[dbish]

Woz is awesome and as an engineer I understand the urge to say he’s the main one who should be honored but we have to be realistic. Jobs ushered in 2 eras, only 1 with Woz. The personal computer and the computer in everyone’s pocket.

That’s not touching any of the other areas like helping to drive Pixar. Woz did not have a second act, which is perfectly fine and I deeply respect him but he doesn’t have quite the same cultural impact.

[engeljohnb]

Woz is a genius who invented the personal computer as we know it.

Jobs was a celebrity who was good at branding himself as a genius.

I don't consider a clever UI idea like a touch screen to be a work of brilliance, especially since he did zero engineering work, both for early and later Apple devices. Touch screen handheld devices would've come around with or without him, just maybe a few years later.

It should've been Woz.

[microtherion]

Woz was one of many people who designed microprocessor based computers in the 1970s (I recently started reading back issues of Dr. Dobb's Journal https://archive.org/details/dr_dobbs_journal_vol_01_201710, and the variety is astounding), and far from the first one, though he was very good at what he did.

What really set apart the Apple II from many of its peers is that it came preassembled, in a neatly designed case (though the Commodore PET and TRS-80 were pretty much released at the same time), and those esthetics were due more to Jobs than Wozniak.

Jobs did not write product code, or design boards, but he had a constant presence in the design of Apple's products and many (though by no means all) of his inputs changed the products for the better.

[dboreham]

This is much more true than the parent comment, but nobody invented the concept of an integrated system in a case with keyboard and screen. That's because said concept is called a "video terminal" and had existed for at least a decade prior to the mid-70s. In fact one of the prime target markets for the first generation 8-bit CPUs was...video terminals. A late-70s personal computer is really just a video terminal that has been made programmable by the user. The hardware is pretty much identical.

[dboreham]

> Woz is a genius who invented the personal computer as we know it.

History being written by the victors here, I believe.

He designed some clever things for example bit-banging the floppy interface which allowed the Apple 2 to have floppies at a lower price point than competitors. Another innovation of the Apple 2 at the time was its use of a switched-mode PSU. It was almost certainly the first personal computer to have that, but designed by Rod Holt not Woz. He didn't invent the switching PSU -- they were commonly used in portable test equipment at the time.

Having been alive at the time and paying attention, I disagree that Woz invented anything very significant. Definitely an important figure, and a clever guy though.

[engeljohnb]

After looking more closely at the release dates of the earliest home computers, I found you're right. Three major home computers, all preassembled, with keyboard and video display and BASIC launched in 1977. Seems Apple II was not the first, only the most forward-looking of the three.

I still don't credit Steve Jobs with starting any computing revolutions, in 1977 or 2008.

[dboreham]

At the time it seemed that the advantage Apple had over the Pet and TRS-80 was the lower price-point for floppies and color, and over time much more software becoming available. Obviously those advantages weren't entirely due to luck -- Woz designed the low-cost floppy interface and someone specified the color modulator and enough memory for color graphics. Someone decided to use a switched mode PSU which made the Apple much lighter and therefore easier to lug around than a Pet. The general idea of "having a computer at home" had existed since the 1960s so I wouldn't credit Jobs with any amazing breakthrough in that regard.

Also worth noting that the Apple 2 was really a US/North America phenomenon. For example although they were sold in the UK (my school, unusually, had one), they were not popular and pretty much nobody had one in their home. So you might as well say that the person at the BBC who decided to commission the BBC Micro was the pioneer of personal computing. Or Clive Sinclair.

[SoftTalker]

> Touch screen handheld devices would've come around with or without him, just maybe a few years later.

They already existed. The iPod Touch was not the first one. It was certainly the most successful one though.

[mulmen]

Woz is alive.