[almostgotcaught]

> Similarly I can look at the test grades of everyone in Ukraine right now, but that tells me more about society in general than the countries school system.

I'll repeat for the third and final time: excluding people that speak English as a second language in a country's school system that has been taking immigrants for all time (and vaguely plans to continue) is not the same thing as excluding people affected by a brutal but eventually ending war.

I can't make it any simpler for you.

[huhkerrf]

You're being unnecessarily condescending and combative.

The point that the person that you're arguing in bad faith with is making is not that we jettison immigrants and ESL students. It's that you accept that they will have struggles that the students in Japan do not (because there are much fewer immigrant students). So if you compare the students who are _like_ the ones in Japan and you come out ahead, then you go, great, we don't need to adjust for those students.

It does _not_ mean that you don't adjust for the students who have unique challenges and try to bring them up.

But if you compare two different cohorts, you might incorrectly get the signal that you should also change what you're doing for the students who don't have those challenges.

[Retric]

> excluding people affected by a brutal but eventually ending war.

You just excluded people from these comparisons based on some goal.

[almostgotcaught]

If a concept has been made as simple as possible and it's still not simple enough for you to understand, then I'm sorry but I think this conversation is not for you.

[Retric]

Simplicity isn’t the issue here, your lack of argument is.