[threatofrain]

"Getting things" is a matter of performance, not about the underlying hardware. If I'm an idiot who knows nothing about programming, but every time I slam the keyboard we get good programs, then how useful is it to discuss whether I am in fact empty-headed?

[thefz]

But the discussion here is that it does not output good programs at all.

[threatofrain]

So we might discuss their performance along a gradient and think on their year over year improvement. Current industry performance is of such magnitude that it has persuaded the world to adopt ChatGPT workflows as much as they have. Adjacent to code, one might look to Terry Tao and how he relates to ML workflows in math.

[hitarpetar]

I guess in your arbitrary hypothetical it wouldn't be useful