[thaw13579]

It would be great to have a similar analysis for elementary school-aged children. Many schools are using "crisis simulation" of active shooter events in an effort to prepare for them (and presumably reduce the risk of death). While good natured, I think it's ultimately just needlessly traumatizing children, since school shootings account for <0.1% of deaths. While school shootings are devastating and sadly on the rise, the media greatly exaggerates the risks in people's minds. By the numbers, the biggest mortality risks for children are drowning and automobile injuries while unbuckled, both of which can be trained without inflicting psychological harm.

[mothballed]

Nobody wants to hear the kids are dead because the moron parents forgot to lock their own pool gate or because they got wasted behind the wheel. They want to hear the evil inanimate objects or drug dealers did it, someone other than the parents.

[Spooky23]

Risk management is on a scale.

You always try to react to high-probability, high-impact events (traffic accidents at pickup) with rules, controls and people. You may have rules to high-probability, low-impact events (running in the hallway). Low probability, high-impact events are important as well because the stakes are high. Shooter drills and fire drills fall into that category.

As a society, the United States has decided that the value of allowing easy access to firearms is such that risk of marginal people using them to murder children is ok. We've accepted that by default. Depending on how you count, there are several dozen to several hundred school shooting incidents every year.

It would be irresponsible not to have a protocol to protect the lives of children in school, and tbh, the kids accept it as part of life. Those of us who remember a more innocent time are more horrified.

[thaw13579]

We of course should prepare and have protocols to protect children in these scenarios, but there are better and worse ways to go about it. I essentially believe it's okay to leave young children blissfully ignorant of low probability / high impact harms (there are many that are equally likely to school shootings that we ignore). Lockdown protocols and training seem fine to me, if they are sufficiently abstract, but there is an emerging trend of "crisis simulations" which involve people posing as shooters, simulating gunfire sounds, and staff / students posing as shooting victims, etc. I think adults can handle this kind of realism, but there is evidence for harm in young children.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2301804

[Spooky23]

Fair point and I agree with you 100%. I wasn't aware that people are this bonkers.

I haven't followed this issue super closely, and based my previous statements on our experience - I have school-aged children and our lockdown drills are not anything like this and are very child focused. It's really about understanding what the staff and children need to do.

[antonymoose]

How are they training your children? For mine, it’s basically just “teacher gives a signal, barricade a door, hide in a strongpoint.”

I can’t say it’s anymore serious or traumatizing than earthquake, fire, or tornado drills I grew up on.

[thaw13579]

A summary from the Everytown report "The Impact of Active Shooter Drills in Schools"

"Active shooter drills in schools are associated with increases in depression (39%), stress and anxiety (42%), and physiological health problems (23%) overall, including children from as young as five years old up to high schoolers, their parents, and teachers. Concerns over death increased by 22 percent, with words like blood, pain, clinics, and pills becoming a consistent feature of social media posts in school communities in the 90 days after a school drill. "

https://everytownresearch.org/report/the-impact-of-active-sh...

[antonymoose]

This is a very unreliable report from an anti-firearms activist group. Hardly a neutral source to be believed.

[thaw13579]

I dug into it more and found the lab who conducted the study at Georgia Tech published their results in a reputable journal with peer review (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-021-00993-6). The analysis seems fairly evidence-based, consisting of "54 million social media posts, both pre- and post-drills in 114 schools spanning 33 states."

[nemomarx]

I've heard of school districts doing simulated shootings with BB guns, masked men going through the halls to shout at the students, etc. That seems like needlessly frightening theater for no real gain (and might confuse the students ,at that )