[drivebyhooting]

How are they teaching 4 year olds reading and arithmetic? That wasn’t an option in my affluent area in SoCal. Somehow Chinese and some Russian kids can do it, but mine didn’t. Despite my paying $20k/year per child for preschool.

[nostrademons]

Same way they used to teach it in 1st grade, but 2 years earlier. There's often more of an emphasis on visuals, manipulatives, and songs too, eg. my kid's kindergarten teacher linked us to this song [1] on the first day, and there's dozens of similar resources on YouTube.

A family friend of ours (retired Tesla engineer) taught his 18 month the alphabet. He did it with a bunch of alphabet puzzles [2] and blocks. My 16mo is showing similar interest, but unfortunately I don't have the time to sit down with him, go over each letter, and explain how they go together. He will grab a book (or 5) off the bookshelf, bring it over to me, and say "Read this", though.

For math - my kid had learned the powers of two up through 4096 by kindergarten through playing Snake-2048. My wife and I started introducing addition and subtraction just in ordinary life - we'd say "Okay, if we have 4 strawberries, and you reserve one each for mommy and daddy, how many do you get to eat?"

Now (age 7) he'll quiz me in the car with seemingly random numbers like "What's 177 * 198?", and it's a good opportunity for me to introduce a bunch of mental math tricks like binomial expansions for multiplying numbers near 50 or 100, or prime factorizations. I'll usually turn the questions back on him too, like "Well, that's 200 * 177 - 2 * 177. What's 2 * 177?" and then he's like "I dunno" and then I'll say "What's 2 * 180?" and he says "360" and then I say "Now subtract 2 * 3" and he says "354" and then I'm like "Okay, if 2 * 177 = 354, what's 200 * 177" and he'll say "35,400" (because he already knows the trick for adding zeros) and then I'll say "Subtract 354" and he'll say "35,046" which is the correct answer.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36IBDpTRVNE

[2] https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Toddlers-Alphabet-Preschoolers-...

[3] https://www.miniplay.com/game/snake-2048-io

[drivebyhooting]

There’s a huge difference between knowing the alphabet and being able to read a decodable book like Bob, let alone getting to chapter books.

Similarly there’s a huge difference between knowing how to count up and down between small numbers under 10 and mastery of arithmetic.

Here, double digit addition is not covered until late 1st grade. The focus is addition under 20.

[nostrademons]

But there's also a big difference between 18 months and 4 years.

There are definitely preschools in Silicon Valley where the kids are reading chapter books by 4. We chose not to send our kids to one (we don't want them to miss out on play and socialization for academics), but we have a few friends that have sent their kids there.

[drivebyhooting]

Really? Can you share the school’s name? Can you give an example of chapter book so I understand the reading level?

[gtk40]

I'm from a blue class family in a non-affluent area and I could already read going into Kindergarten because my mom spent a lot of time reading with me before I got to school. This was 25+ years ago.

[drivebyhooting]

You touch upon an issue near to my heart but I am loathe to utter it: women in workforce is robbing our children and country of a future.

Disagree if you will.

[tayo42]

You probably get disagreement becasue your focused on one gender. No reason why we can't have stay at home dads.

Unless you think that men can't be good caretakers or something about it being a women's job, then good luck, your on your own lol

[drivebyhooting]

Men are pretty bad at breast feeding or carrying a pregnancy.

[tayo42]

You can formula feed or feed with pumped milk. Father's are capable of feeding children.

[drivebyhooting]

Formula is not as nutritious as human breast milk. Bottle feeding leads to long lasting anatomical changes. You can look at the research confirming these uncomfortable and inconvenient truths.

[ribosometronome]

Whooaa! You're going to give people whiplash with how quickly you're changing what's being discussed. Men are perfectly capable of reading to kids! That you use things men are perfectly able to do, rather than the things they're not, as justification for why women should not be in the workplace makes me think you're not nearly so loathe to utter it as you say.

[drivebyhooting]

I was responding to someone claiming dads are just as good caretakers as moms. Clearly false.

[charlie90]

women are better than men at housekeeping and raising children. why do women take this as an insult? its a compliment.

[drivebyhooting]

I never mentioned housekeeping.

[Fraterkes]

I take it as an insult as a guy! Theres nothing in my gender that precludes me from being as good at housekeeping (cleaning, cooking). Unscientific drivel!

[Fraterkes]

What do you mean? Fathers can teach their kids to read too right? In what sense are mothers specifically at fault?

[daedrdev]

I don't know, but I new a guy who had gotten a 5 in AP calc BC before entering high school. He was understandably depressed

[anarticle]

My mom taught me math by playing cards with me, and taught me reading by reading me books. It has nothing to do with money. I grew in a house that had a giant hole in the floor, lead paint, and asbestos tiles in North Carolina at that time. My mom is a high school graduate from New Jersey, my parents were late 20s and made barely any money in the 1980s.

Some things you cannot buy for love or money!