[frumplestlatz]

There’s just no comparison when you consult reliability reports, though. Of course, even companies like Toyota are going in the direction of always on, arbitrarily updated software and subscriptions.

I have no idea what I’ll buy when my 11 year old toyota finally retires.

[jcgrillo]

As a happy owner of a 30 year old Toyota 80 series I'd recommend getting one! The computer can be diagnosed with a light bulb. Or go even older like a 40 series Land Cruiser. No computers anywhere in those.