[ohman876]

I know this is side topic but if buying the Android or iPhone hardware gives us hardware we don't control, then what alternatives we realistically have? I do own pinephone (and I was recently reading that they kinda staled with development of new phones hardware), I know about librem.. is there anything else on the market?

[benjaminoakes]

LineageOS? /e/OS? ArrowOS? Android has so much momentum that seems like it would be difficult to avoid a fork. I know Waydroid exists, but I'm not sure that's good enough. Ubuntu Touch sounds really cool too, but I've put effort into it with a used Google Pixel 3A and it's not an easy, cheap thing to try out right now. And it's still dependent on binary blobs for drivers, as far as I know. Not a great situation.

Regarding banking apps and things like that, I don't run into to any issues except for not being able to scan checks for deposit on the mobile website. And also I have to have physical credit cards. If you can't do what you need, consider changing to a local credit union which has your interests in mind far more than a for-profit bank.

I've never run into a need for apps for a government purpose, but perhaps I will someday.

I'm sure my situation where I live may be different than your situation where you live.

I don't use an open source fork of Android daily and from what I can tell the best option that exists today.

The only hardware that I know will continue to be open enough for this to be viable in the future is Fairphone. I hope there are others. I would definitely would NOT trust Google Pixel to remain open for the foreseeable future.

Personally, I'm trying to get out of the habit of using my phone anyway, so I might as well have laptop or desktop hardware that can fulfill my needs.

[ohman876]

Thank you for taking your time to list all the options!

I have no requirement to use apps other than calls, navigation, something to let me view pdf, take photos and maybe browse HN :) (already a big bunch)

[benjaminoakes]

No problem. Honestly, I have this on my mind a lot these days. It feels like I'm being forced out of an apartment and I'm wondering where I'm going to put all my stuff. First I left the iPhone for what I thought was greener pastures on Android and now I'm finding that there's not a lot of great options that don't give Google or Apple complete control. What little trust I still had in Google has basically disappeared. We need open phones and I'm more willing than ever to buy one. And if that doesn't work with how carriers operate, I guess a dumber phone or a cheap smartphone just to do phone calls and data is what I'll do.

Anyway, for navigation, try out Organic Maps. It's not as good as Google Maps in some ways, but in other ways it's better. I'm honestly very impressed with it as an open source project. I think you have to use a Google signed version of it to run it on Android Auto though, but honestly, maybe it's better just to have a phone holder instead of the finicky Android Auto experience that at least I go through.

[ohman876]

I never used Android Auto, always navigated my car with phone on a phone holder :)) thanks for Organic Maps suggestion! I always felt Google did very god work on Google Maps and felt alternatives like Osmand are not as good... until recently- seeing gmaps picking weird routes for no reason, but maybe it' just my bubble.. I'll definitely give Organic Maps a try!

Also observing new apps showing up on my phone after Android update without me ever installing them made me so angry that I stopped updating my phone, you know- apps that cannot be removed or disabled.. it constantly makes me wonder what really is running in the background- I don't even have a way to reliably list those things. I'm going to sit through the list you provided and push myself to go through the last mile to actually make the move.

[benjaminoakes]

I'm happy to see this comment. Best of luck!

[sudo_and_pray]

Probably Linux phones, they are not there yet, but maybe by the time Android becomes an iOS it will be there.

Problem will be with banking apps and such, well you can get an used iphone and in lockdown mode it should be fine even if it reaches EoL.

[schlauerfox]

Bought a used iPhone 7 for a specific project requiring a supported OS (iOS15) and having a hardware security module and the phone worked fine for that but Microsoft Authenticator refused to install below iOS 16 for no obvious reason.

[wltr]

My bet is that YOLO is the reason for Microsoft being unable to make the authenticator work on an older iOS.