[thasso]

I don't get where my misunderstanding lies. Didn't I point out that the __copy_to_user call returns EFAULT if the memory is unmapped or unwritable? The problem is that some parts of the user stack may be mapped and writable although they're past the end of the fd_set structure.

> there's no formal API for it in the glibc headers

The author claims you can pass nfds > 1024 to select(2).If you use the fd_set structure with a size of 1024, this may lead to memory corruption if an FD > 1023 becomes ready if I understand correctly.

[ajross]

Once more, the kernel has never been responsible for managing userspace memory. If the userspace process directs the kernel to write to memory it didn't "intend" the kernel to write to, the kernel will happily do so. Think again on the example of the read() system call I mentioned. How do you propose to fix the problem there?

The "problem", such as it is here, is that the POSIX behavior for select() (that it supports only a fixed size for fd_set) was extended in the Linux kernel[1] to allow for arbitrary file descriptor counts. But the POSIX API for select() was not equivalently extended, if you want to use this feature you need to call it with the Linux system call API and not the stuff you find in example code or glibc headers.

[1] To be perfectly honest I don't know if this is unique to Linux. It's a pretty obvious feature, and I bet various BSDs or OS X or whatnot have probably done it too. But no one cares because at the 1024+ FD level System V poll() is a better API, and event-based polling is better still. It's just Unix history at this point and no one's going to fix it for you.

[thasso]

Your example on read(2) is a good one. There's no way to fix it purely by changing the API because, by nature, the user chooses the size of the buffer.

The difference is that fd_set is a structure that's not defined by the user. If fd_set had a standard size, the kernel could verify that nfds is within the allowed range for the fd_set structure. The select(2) system call would be harder to misuse then, although misuse would still be possible by passing custom buffers instead of pointers to fd_set structures. In that sense, I think we agree on the "problem".

It's indeed just a bit of Unix history, but I was surprised by it nonetheless.

[loeg]

I think ajross would argue that if anything, it is glibc's responsibility to check nfds <-> sizeof(fd_set), rather than the kernel.