[jebarker]

It was this one: https://sourcegraph.com/blog/dev-tool-time-mitchell-hashimot...

They even used the quote as the title of the accompanying blog post.

As I say, I didn’t mean this as a gotcha or anything- I totally agree with the change and I have done similarly. I’ve always disabled autocomplete, tool tips, suggestions etc but now I am actively using Cursor daily.

[mitchellh]

Yeah understood, I'm not taking it negatively, I just genuinely wanted to understand where it came from.

Yeah this is from 2021 (!!!) and is directly related to LSPs. ChatGPT didn't even get launched until Nov 2022. So I think the quote doesn't really work in the context of today, it's literally from an era where I was looking at faster horses when cars were right around the corner and I had not a damn clue. Hah.

Off topic: I still dislike [most] LSPs and don't use them.

[Fraterkes]

What do you not like about LSPs? When you do eg refactoring isn't it nice to do operations on something that actually reflects the structure of your code?

[mitchellh]

I use agents for that, and it does a shockingly good job. LSPs constantly take up resources, most are poorly written, and I have to worry about version compatibility, editor compatibility, etc. It's just a very annoying ecosystem to me.

External agent where I can say "rename this field from X to Y" or "rewrite this into a dedicated class and update all callers" and so on works way better. Obviously, you have to be careful reviewing it since its not working at the same level of guarantee an LSP is but its worth it.

[underdeserver]

Hmm, most LSPs don't give you a very strong guarantee either (when you e.g. rename a variable).

I suppose in some languages it's undecidable in the worst case, but it should work in reasonably hygienic codebases.

Also, they tend to freeze or crash for no reason.

[jebarker]

Are you still using the NixOS setup you showed in that interview or do you now use the MacOS native ghostty?

[mitchellh]

I do. I use both!

[moderation]

The CEO of Sourcegraph Quinn was pretty negative on coding agents and agentic development only about 10 months ago [0]. He had 'agentic stuff' in the Deader category (Used rarely, Reviewing it aint worth it). In fairness, he did say it was the future but 'is not there yet'. Since then, Sourcregraph's code assistant plugin Cody has been deprecated an they are all in on agents and agentic with Amp.

0.https://youtu.be/Up6WVA07QdE?si=xU_iu2rQAWoHXPpO&t=898

[sqs]

Yeah, I said about coding agents, “it’s obviously the future, but it’s not there yet”. That talk was from the AI Engineer conference in June 2024 (16 months ago). Coding agents have come a long way since then!