[pcurve]

"Tragically, 60 people were killed during construction.

During their lifetimes the towers were host to the birth of 17 babies and 19 murders"

That is unusually high number of death during construction.

After 25 years, I still get emotional looking at these imageries. The emotion is raw. I'm still mad that this happened.

[avhception]

I'm still mad, and I'm not even American. Even over here in Germany, it was a massive shock wave that went through society and I still remember the day it happened vividly. The effects in society are felt to this day.

[timcobb]

One could argue that Osama bin Laden did succeed in destroying the US if not the entire Western order.

[93po]

The US did exactly what he wanted them to.

He wanted to radicalize Muslims worldwide against the West and drain American resources through prolonged wars.

It's also interesting how infrequently Americans know OBL's motivations for the 9/11 attacks. A big part of it was the American support of Israel, and OBL's belief that this would lead to further oppression of Muslim people in Palestine.

He did terrible things but was pretty accurate in his predictions.

[bamboozled]

OBL hated Palestine ?

[Hackbraten]

"this" == "the American support of Israel"

[UltraSane]

as an American I very much want to live in the reality where Gore won and 9/11 didn't happen.

[tempestn]

If Gore had won, maybe McCain could have been President after him, and the Republican party could've gone in a very different direction too.

If you enjoy these kinds of hypotheticals, check out the series For All Mankind on apple tv.

[rkomorn]

Are you implying Gore winning would've meant 9/11 wouldn't have happened?

[tempestn]

Not the parent, and I'm not saying it definitely wouldn't have happened (I have no idea), but it's at least possible. There was advance intelligence around the event that might have been treated differently by a different administration.

Even if it had happened, the response would also have been different.

[mixmastamyk]

In Richard Clarke’s book he details the intelligence community’s multiple warnings to the new Bush administration that spring and summer. They were ignored.

As Gore came from the Clinton admin he and the people around him would have had a lot more experience dealing with and familiar with the threats and actors, who were already known.

[u8vov8]

The Bush administration let the attacks happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks_advance-k...

[chistev]

What do you think the different response would have been?

[tempestn]

I have no idea; I'm just saying that with different people in charge, they wouldn't have reacted in exactly the same way.

If I had to guess, I'd say at least no Iraq war, if we consider that part of the response. Patriot Act probably would have looked different. I expect there still would have been military action in Afghanistan, but likely with differences as well.

[UltraSane]

No

[squidbeak]

Are you asserting that Al Qaeda liked Gore enough to suspend their vendetta?

[natebc]

They're asserting that they want to live in a world where two things are true.

- Gore was declared winner of the 2000 presidential election

- the WTC wasn't attacked on September 11th, 2001.

the two don't have to be connected to be wishes.

[netsharc]

Bush's team ignored Clinton's team attempt to handover what they knew about the threats (in these threads someone mentioned Richard Clarke's book, I remember reading a 2003 TIME article, you can probably also read the results of the congressional investigation).

If the Supreme Court hadn't done the shenanigans in Florida, Clinton's team would've been Gore's team, and who knows, maybe those hijackers would've been caught...

[UltraSane]

No