[weli]

I'm not saying that she isn't a good politician or that what she is doing is not a step in the right direction. I personally like her. All I'm saying is that she hasn't accomplished anything meaningful to merit the Nobel prize.

That's like giving the Nobel in physics to someone that has worked all their life publishing papers but they all have been refuted and proven wrong.

I don't think "prize" for the merit of being relentless in their fight for publishing physics papers is merited, maybe a different honor, but Peace Nobels should be given to - and i quote -:

"to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

[CaptainOfCoit]

> All I'm saying is that she hasn't accomplished anything meaningful to merit the Nobel prize

I know it's frowned upon, but did you actually read the submission article? They're highlighting exactly why they've chosen her, including what meaningful work she has already done:

> The efforts of the collective opposition, both before and during the election, were innovative and brave, peaceful and democratic. The opposition received international support when its leaders publicised the vote counts that had been collected from the country’s election districts, showing that the opposition had won by a clear margin. But the regime refused to accept the election result, and clung to power.

Maybe you have some better suggestions on who this award should have gone to? Of all the candidates, I guess in the end she was seen as having done a lot, but in your mind she've done nothing, which means you're thinking about some other person who did more?

[weli]

> Maybe you have some better suggestions on who this award should have gone to? Of all the candidates, I guess in the end she was seen as having done a lot, but in your mind she've done nothing, which means you're thinking about some other person who did more?

I think if there are no suitable candidates the award should be skipped. Like it has been skipped many years for the same reasons. This would send a more powerful message about how fucked up the state of the world is rather than giving it to someone just for the sake of it.

[CaptainOfCoit]

So the conditions from the will are these:

> and one part to the person who has done the most or best to advance fellowship among nations, the abolition or reduction of standing armies, and the establishment and promotion of peace congresses

Go to her Wikipedia article, do a quick skim/read and then tell me how she doesn't fit with those conditions already?

Why skip the prize when there are individuals that fit the conditions for the prize? Working for democracy and peace in a peaceful and democratic manner shouldn't be rewarded?

[js8]

What is Maria Corina Machado doing is certainly impressive, and worth a reward. That being said.. (based on Wikipedia information about her)

I don't see how wishing a foreign country to militarily overthrow a regime in your country promotes peace.

If we also include democracy to that umbrella, I don't see how support of privatization of natural resources can be considered promotion of democracy.

She's probably not as bad as Milei but.. I would not rule out a similar outcome.

[ErneX]

This award gives us hope and recognition as a country struggling to get rid of a dictatorship.

Every Venezuelan that aspires freedom should be proud today.

[vasco]

Can you list which of the recent nobel peace prizes were attributed according to your standards?

[weli]

They are not my standards. They are the Nobel Peace committee's standards. And I do agree Nobel Peace prizes are purely performative, but this one alongside Barack Obama has been one of the most performative ones I can remember.

[CaptainOfCoit]

> They are the Nobel Peace committee's standards

I think they're older than that, Nobel apparently left a will that included three conditions for what we today call the Nobel Peace Prize:

> and one part to the person who has done the most or best to advance fellowship among nations, the abolition or reduction of standing armies, and the establishment and promotion of peace congresses.

https://www.nobelprize.org/alfred-nobel/full-text-of-alfred-...

[therealpygon]

If it is their own standards, then aren’t they implicitly in the better position to make those judgements than you?

[kelipso]

Why would they be? They are just regular people who can make mistakes like everyone else. Don’t tell me Obama implicitly deserved it lol.

[therealpygon]

I have no idea. I wasn’t involved in their decision process. But it seems easy for some people to forget that the Nobel is awarded by a completely private foundation whose sole purpose is to pursue one man’s vision for a better world. Pretty sure neither of our opinions matter on this, but certainly not your disagreement with their execution of their own responsibilities.

[kelipso]

Of course my opinions matter, because I hold it. I don’t particularly care about your view on your opinion mattering, maybe you can have a heart to heart with someone about that.

The Nobel committee is supposed to follow certain guidelines that were set up by Alfred Nobel, and ideally their decisions should make sense because it’s a prestigious prize. The committee consists of regular people who absolutely can be criticized for their stupid decisions, whether their stupid decisions match Nobel’s vision, how their stupid decisions affect the wider world because of the prestige of the prize, or whatever else I or anyone else feel like.

[palata]

> They are not my standards. They are the Nobel Peace committee's standards.

So you're saying that the Nobel Peace committee has not been following their standards? I find this pretty hard to prove... it's like if you were telling me that even if I say that my favourite color is green, it probably isn't because green is not that special a colour.

[bratwurst3000]

if you fight for justice peace and humanity the fight is the thing acomplished.

standing up and risking their lives for the good of humanity merrits more then a nobel price can give!