[repsilat]

This might have been your experience, but mine has been very different. In my experience a typical python workload is 50% importing python libraries, 45% slow python wrapper logic and 5% fast native code. I spend a lot of time rewriting the python logic in C++, which makes it 100x faster, so the resulting performance approaches "10% fast native logic, 90% useless python imports".

[kccqzy]

There is more than one PEP related to making imports faster such as PEP 690 or PEP 810. It's definitely a well-known problem. The solution is probably right around the corner.

[b3orn]

Imports being slow is annoying, but only matters to short running code.

[repsilat]

Many simple scripts at my work that more or less just argparse and fire off an HTTP request spend half a minute importing random stuff because of false deps and uncommon codepaths. For some unit tests it's 45 seconds, substantially longer than the time taken to run the test logic.

In dev cycles most code is short-running.

[instig007]

> Many simple scripts at my work [...] For some unit tests it's 45 seconds

> I spend a lot of time rewriting the python logic in C++, which makes it 100x faster

Nice! Your workplace didn't care to pick a better tool for the job in the past, and it seems to not care what you're doing at present, if you have to spend time rewriting the stuff in C++, instead of picking Nim and calling it a day, in a day.

[cb321]

Even better, in Nim these little CLI tools could use https://github.com/c-blake/cligen and have had terminal colorized, auto-generated help for many years now with much less dev-effort than raw argparse. Start-up time of statically linked Nim programs is like O(100..500 microseconds, just like C programs).

[nickpsecurity]

Have you thought about packing that stuff into an executable or precomputing or preloading it? There's techniques for each of those things that help in some scenarios.

[ActorNightly]

If imports are slow, you need to not be writing python in the first place, because you are either on limited hardware or you are writing a very performant app.