[croon]

Do you have a good faith presupposition that is congruent with what is currently happening?

This is referring to house and senate republicans, not every unsuspecting voter. Not to say there weren't signs and messaging signalling this.

[palmfacehn]

You're stepping into a distinct issue where you specify politicians or the political classes. Thus far I took the discussion to be about individuals engaging in informal political discussions. The poll itself wasn't limited to politicians.

There are well known malign incentives for politicians and the political classes. Generally speaking these involve the expansion of the purview of the state and the time preferences dictated by electoral cycles. These are realist views around the incentives political actors find themselves subjected to. The extent of how much these incentives are perceived to dictate outcomes might correlate with the observer's cynicism. However, presuming that these incentives would only apply to one political party would be naive at best. At worst it would be divisive partisan tilting. The suggestion that it is specific to Republicans and the devolution of this thread is illustrative of the polling data.

[croon]

You're making the suggestion that the major contributor to the current issues are those incentives, yet the incentives haven't changed much the last couple of decades, and the last year is wholly unprecedented.

How do you square that?

[palmfacehn]

Yes, many partisans are asserting that it is unprecedented. The selective omissions advance their narrative. They are acting in self-interest. The out-party hate is downstream and symptomatic.

A less partisan view might find that it the actions of the political classes are not unprecedented. It is a progression of the form. Both poles represent false alternatives in this regard. The malign incentives are systemic.

[anon291]

Yes. The politically engaged have become extremely polarized and out forth terrible policies that the normal people then have to make binary decisions on. Both Harris and Trump were symptoms of this. Both were kinda nuts. And the fact that normal people had to choose is ... Wild.

[spencerflem]

It’s crazy to me that the Democrats can run the most do-nothing centrist candidate twice in a row and people like you will still find a reason to complain.

[PaulHoule]

The do-nothing centrist is the problem. “The politics of joy” doesn’t connect with people who haven’t gotten raises to match increasing productivity for 40 years.

[spencerflem]

Hey, I agree- but the poster up there was talking like Harris was too polarized, too extreme - which was Not my problem with her lol