[weregiraffe]

What about the millions of, for example, Muslims, who have a very particular idea of what "prosperity" means? Especially for your female children.

[woooooo]

Do fundamentalist Muslims have a realistic chance of imposing those views on your nation? Because, if not, you Fell For It Again.

(Aside, every western Muslim I've personally met has been chill)

[zpeti]

Realistic is a very broad term, but do you think they don’t have an effect?

And where you are from matters a lot, you will probably answer very differently if you are from California or if you are from Birmingham UK.

[febusravenga]

In western Germany, France, UK? Traditionally catholic countries, core of European enlightenment culture. Yes there is small, but realistic chance.

That's why right shovinism is rising in eu

[tankenmate]

And the fundamentalist Christians who advocate that women should "Keep Sweet"? Ever wondered where fundie baby voice comes from?

I suspect if you look at it a bit longer you'll see that the issue isn't "Muslim", the issue is "fundamentalism".

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes."

[weregiraffe]

No, the issue is wider. Everyone has something that can be considered a "fundamentalist value" by someone else who doesn't share it. It just doesn't feel that way when the value is yours.

[tankenmate]

I suspect you misunderstand the meaning of the word fundamentalism; it's not just about absolutism, but also the authoritarian aspect, i.e. this issue is "back and white" and "i'm going to force you to to adhere to this black and white framework" (for some mechanism of "force"). My point is that it is the combination of "lack and white" and "forced compliance" that is the issue.

So your point "considered a "fundamentalist value" by someone else who doesn't share it" either a) directly contradicts the "No, the issue is wider", or b) you didn't understand what I was saying.

[weregiraffe]

Every society will force someone to adher to something against their will.

[tankenmate]

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes"; your statement is both a) lacking any nuance (any cost vs any benefit), and b) so lacking in nuance (a tautology even) to border on irrelevance and nihilism (a throw away statement that has the intellectual depth of "everything happens for a reason", a true but largely useless comment that, at least on the surface, is used to shut down any debate).

[weregiraffe]

Every country on earth has laws, law enforcement, and criminals.