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by silexia 252 days ago
CEO here, I also almost got taken by a fake legal notice about a Facebook post. My password manager would not auto enter my password so I tried manually entering it like a dummy. Fortunately, it was the wrong one.
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This is exactly why I turned off auto enter.
Isn’t turning off auto enter exacerbating the problem?

The avenue for catching this is that the password manager’s autofill won’t work on the phishing site, and the user could notice that and catch that it’s a malicious domain

Autofill doesn't always work for every site. So, now you're having to store in your mind where it works and where it doesn't. By disabling it, it forces you to go the extra step (command-shift-L) every time.
Autofill and the hotkey use the same mechanism, and neither is going to work on a phishing site.
You're right. The point is that hotkey makes me think and observe more. Again, I don't have to remember if the site previous worked with autofill, or not.
Sure. Except this is a story about the user manually copying the credential into a phishing site after the password manager didn’t fill it in.

Whether that’s via a hotkey or not seems totally irrelevant.

Yes. This is the problem with the "just use a password manager" answer to phishing-resistance. They can be a line of defense, situationally, but you have to have them configured just right, and if you're using phishing-resistant authentication you don't need that line of defense in the first place.
Isn't this backwards? If the autocomplete doesn't show up that's a flag that the password is going somewhere it doesn't belong. If you're always copy-pasting from a password manager then you're not getting that check "for free".

Obviously SSO-y stuff is _better_, but autofill seems important for helping to prevent this kind of scam. Doesn't prevent everything of course!

None of this password manager configuration stuff matters; we've just got Passkeys set up for the account now, which is what we should have done, but didn't, because we spent the last 2 years with one foot out the door on Twitter altogether.

Since this attack happened despite Kurt using 1Password, I'm really not all that receptive to the idea that 1Password is a good answer to this problem.

I guess I'm just saying "1Password with autofill" will help more than "1Password without autofill".

We can always make mistakes of course. And yeah, sometimes we just haven't done something.

No, that's the opposite of the moral of that story. If the person you responded to had listened to the fact that the auto-enter didn't auto-enter, they wouldn't have been at any risk. Likewise in the article, the problem was that the CEO copy-pasted the password into the phishing page's password field, NOT that the auto-enter prompted him to do so.
As I mention below: Autofill doesn't always work for every site. So, now you're having to store in your mind where it works and where it doesn't. By disabling it, it forces you to go the extra step (command-shift-L) every time.
Hide Sidebar?

Honestly it sounds like you are missing the point while simultaneously using a bad password manager.

That isn't hide sidebar and I use a common PM.