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by JumpCrisscross 259 days ago
> If matches happened at 1 second intervals you wouldn't have to worry about it at all

This is nonsense. There is still advantage to submitting your trade as close to that settlement deadline as possible.

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Not so much if the submitted prices are hidden until the matches are resolved.
> Not so much if the submitted prices are hidden until the matches are resolved

Except every other exchange is still revolving. The only way to implement this is to eliminate competition between exchanges.

Also, Wall Street would love this. The more of the order book you submitted, the more information you have about its composition.

The only way to implement this is to eliminate competition between exchanges.

There are two different things being talked about here.

Trading based on arbitrage between exchanges will happen in one way or another no matter what.

Trading millions of times per second automatically on the same exchange when some people have low latency computers at the exchange with huge amounts of extra information is not necessary.

Also, Wall Street would love this. The more of the order book you submitted, the more information you have about its composition.

The point isn't to make something 'wall street hates' it's to make something that doesn't get money eaten away by automated computers in the middle so that it's the best option for people making trading decisions on people time scales.

> The point isn't to make something 'wall street hates' it's to make something that doesn't get money eaten away by automated computers in the middle so that it's the best option for people making trading decisions on people time scales.

Why is this desirable? It seems like an argument designed only to serve the interests of a small class of person who insists on doing manual trades themselves.

The rest of what you've written just sounds like "I lost money because computers are better than me at the task." I'm not sympathetic to that concern. Computers are better than me at lots of things, so I just don't try to compete at those things. I pay people with access to the computers to do them for me, and then I focus on the things I'm good at instead. Division of labor and all that.

Anyone who isn't involved in HFT should be in favor of rules that slow down trades to human time scales. HFT currently favors a small class of rich people.
> Anyone who isn't involved in HFT should be in favor of rules that slow down trades to human time scales

What are you basing this on?

I’m a former algorithmic market maker. Every plan to “slow down trades to human time scales” I’ve seen were trivially gameable. They were always proposed by a group of concerned citizens, and then jumped on by my bosses, because if the market is slowed down to pre-HFT speeds, Wall Street can make pre-HFT profits on risk-free trading again.

Do you think the internet would work better if we forcibly increased latency? If we did, if the argument were this would flatten the market and better let small websites compete with CDNs, do you think that would actually happen? Google and Cloudflare would say “oh well,” and disassemble their servers?

Our markets have structural problems. They are mostly solvable. HFT is none of them, which is why you keep hearing about it from folks who don’t want reform.

> point isn't to make something 'wall street hates' it's to make something that doesn't get money eaten away by automated computers

Wall Street lobbies to ban HFT because HFT’s computers eat away less than traditional dealers would.

Retail investors railing against HFTs are sort of like those San Francisco types who protest new development to the benefit of their landlords.

Retail investors railing against HFTs are sort of like those San Francisco types who protest new development to the benefit of their landlords.

It's nothing like that since there isn't a limited resource and everyone has access to the core purpose, which is to trade stocks.

What I notice with these discussions is that no one can actually explain why a retail investor or anyone would want computers trading underneath them millions of times a second.

At best they try to give hft credit for the automation that happened with computers anyway.

The only people that want it are the people doing it. That's not a business, that's a grift.

Does one of the following traditions inform your view on this issue?

a) https://www.sefaria.org/Bava_Batra.90b.1?lang=bi&with=Introd...

b) https://sunnah.com/nasai/44