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by megiddo 251 days ago
What's the point of this story? Bad actors win?

Here's a hot take: Name and Shame.

If this story is true, the author should be shouting their names from the rooftop.

Instead, we get this nonsense.

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The point of this story is that open source can't protect you against a bully with a legal department at his command, and neither can it protect you against bad contract clauses. Frivolous legal threats may be frivolous, but you have to prove that in court and a lot of companies would rather take the easier way out to avoid having to do that.

The "FOSS" company never directly threatened the author, but the implication of it alone was enough to scare off both agencies. Given a lot of the tech is mixed up here on purpose, there's a few FOSS companies & vendors I can think of with legal departments that I'd describe as "pretty aggressive" and "expensive for a managed solution" that aren't solely about Exchange related services but would definitely behave like this, given their PR over the years at times has had slipped masks.

>a bully with a legal department

This basically sums up modern corporate status quo. T

> "pretty aggressive"

The legal system has been weaponized against the average person. This is the veil it hides behind. A legal department can be downright boring yet vicious at the same time. Like how they slow roll any employee legal dispute to the maximum legal time limit in expectation that they can financially out wait the employee. Which they almost always can.

> The point of this story is…

The point is that without the identifying information it might as well be a creative writing exercise.

Good anecdotes have power because they actually happened and are verifiable to some degree. This is neither.

Harper Lee's novel To Kill a Mockingbird is a creative writing exercise which didn't actually happen and isn't verifiably true to any degree. There were never any Finches, Ewells, Robinsons or Radleys, yet readers often find it quite powerful because they're perfectly aware the story's events have played out between real people many, many times. They don't need to be told the real names of people who have been in lynch mobs to know real people have been lynched. Email servers aren't quite as heavy a subject, but we know these things happen.
The point is: always own your data
> What's the point of this story? Bad actors win?

Know your contracts. Read the fine print. Be careful who you do business with. Not all companies selling services for open source software embrace the ethos that we assume they do.

After reading the story, I can understand why somebody would not name and shame. The author could be inviting lawsuits from a company that clearly has no qualms playing dirty.

Something I read in the story is that the legal system fails to do its job: to make society fair. There are contracts and lawyers in the story, but they do not work toward ensuring fairness or justice, they work to help the company with more laywers and less scruples.
The legal system, in Italy, has been fundamentally bankrupt for a long time. It's one of the reasons a lot of foreign companies don't invest over there - if anything goes wrong, the legal system is unlikely to be of any help.
I know of no legal system that doesn't fail in some way. Some are much worse than others, but all have flaws. Often correcting the flaws is worse than living with them.

Don't take the above as we should just accept the flaws. We should not. However what to do about them is a hard problem and we should not do something that makes things worse.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but also I can't discern a single bit of useful information in your comment. It is all tautologies, and would apply to any human endeavour. Yes, nothing is perfect, it's possible to make things worse and we should avoid that. Sooo...?
So the earlier pointing out problems isn't useful information.
Everything is flawed so pointing out specific flaws is useless? Nah.
>The author could be inviting lawsuits from a company that clearly has no qualms playing dirty.

Could it possibly involve a particularly litigious law firm masquerading as a tech company run by one rich asshole?

Oracle?

Even RedHat is capable of such behaviour, and remember that the author is likely based in Italy, where companies run by crooks are the norm.

But my best guess is Grommunio.

Exactly!
The naming and shaming should be the top organic google result. People need to own their reputation.
What if the vendors or management have organised crime connections? It's not worth your kneecaps.
>Here's a hot take: Name and Shame.

That's easier said than done, hence why Stefano probably didn't.

It's so easy to demand a name and shame when you won't be the one facing potential social and economic consequences of doing so.