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tldr is "kettle calling the pot black"

Both extremes don't listen and arguments always fall on deaf ears, especially when perceived as ideologically different. Merits of the argument are irrelevant. Most don't evolve past"My dad is stronger than your dad", it just morphs into "my God is better than your god", or in more recent years "my politics/policy smarter than your policy".

The people at the top want the same thing: to remain in rule. They agree the best way is oppression, they just don't agree who the oppressors should be.

People in the middle usually all want the same thing: better lives, but can't agree which oppressors are the lesser evils

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Yes we know, being pro universal healthcare is equally as radical as building literal concentration camps and sending legal immigrants to them.

The left has never oppressed the right in this country. Being banned from twitter for saying racial slurs is not oppression.

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I meant more generally, that the ruling/politico class is the same everywhere. They'll weaponise ideology they think will get them more votes. They're basically just wealthy and powerful reprobates playing us all for emotional fools.

As for the concentration camp thing you brought up, I know it's hollow words on the Internet, but I'm sorry that it's happening. I live in the UK and tend to avoid news halfway across the world that I can't do anything about. It tends to make my (already precarious) mental healthy worse.

As for the Twitter thing... I think Twitter (or any privately owned social media platform) is free to ban people. I think going to jail for hollow comments made on the Internet is not okay though.

But also, these things are kind of orthogonal anyway.

And for context, I'm what most people on the right would call a libtard: gay, neuro divergent, and the cherry on top is that I'm also a filthy immigrant. So it goes without saying that I strongly disagree with a lot of the stuff said by the"hard right", but silencing/cancelling people won't help improve the situation. It just breeds more contempt and leads into authoritarianism. And it makes the people in the middle question why is the other side so afraid of oppositing ideas.

Authoritarian systems are bad whether right or left leaning. I come from a country ravaged by left leaning authoritarianism that's still recovering from that aftermaths (economically, politically, etc) even if I was born after it.

The zeitgeist changes, so just because it's in my "libtard" interest right now, it doesn't mean it will always be. The left becomes right and vice versa. It's happened before, and it will happen again.

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So who will pay for universal healthcare? And if we spend on universal healthcare, what do we give up in return? If we don't exploit resources and capacities, we have less money to go around. Standards of living suffer, mostly affecting the very same people who want free healthcare.

People who want universal healthcare exercise magic money thinking, even though others keep trying to explain that there's no free lunch. It's always other people or other sources who should bear the burden because they cannot afford healthcare for their loved ones. It's obvious why others don't want to pay to everyone else.

Being banned from Twitter is not oppression, but canceling a late night TV show is. You may want to pull your skirt down, your hypocrisy is showing.

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I live in France, we have Universal Healthcare here. We individually spend less than you Americans on healthcare, as the costs are distributed across the entire population. The state also acts as a single buyer, giving them more leverage against labs, and we don't have to pay our tithe to parasitic insurance companies either. Finally, we live longer than you, so clearly our system is superior in every way. Stop rehashing the same old republican soup about "no free lunch" or "magical thinking".

> canceling a late night TV show is

What are you talking about exactly? I remember Jimmy Kimmel being fired over a direct order of the White House, but that was from the right. Meanwhile: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/immigrants-c...

15K+ people with no criminal records detained for no other reasons than because they displeased the racist masked thugs made armed force by the Trump admin. But oh no, someone somewhere might get "cancelled" and never be able to speak ever again in public because of left meanies complaining about them online (something that actually never happened).

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ahh yes, that convenient "in the west" qualifier to exclude every communist country that, surprise! ran literal concentration camps.

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I did not put these words in my comment, what are you even talking about?